Yeah, I think I got it down. Its going to be a rough road but looks like its gotta be done...

Thanks so much guys for all your support!



I didn't expect the topic to get this big!!! ha glad to know I'm loved by someone, even if they're a bunch of old bald guys 

Oh hey now, we're not ALL old!   

I know exactly what you're going through bro!  I've been there, and not all that long ago.  Basically all the advice I would give
the others have already said.  One thing that can't be stressed enough though is to just MOVE ON!  Yeah that's blunt, but
really, forget her.  I wouldn't even bother continuing a friendship until she stops taking you for granted.  There are many more
women out there, and listen to that, I said WOMEN, not girls!  I'm not saying go for a cougar, although they are great, but I'm
talking about mentality.  You need to find someone that has grown up and can actually see things for how they are.  Remember,
Age is relative to how you act, and you seem to be with it, so you need to stay away from the 'girls'.

Good luck with it bro!

I work Border Patrol all the way up here in Canada.  I work the crossing an hour north of Detroit, and that makes for lots of interesting nights.   

Men and women cannot be friends

Sorry Nick, but I have gotta disagree also. I have some really cool friends who are women. A couple have hooked me up with some hotties in the past 
There are many women out there who wants what another one has, so if they think your taken or see you having a good time I guess it intrigues them, making it easier for you to pick them up.
Its all a game basically, you just gotta know how to play it!!
Oh, I have been cock-blocked a couple of times though, but looking back it was a good judgement on my friends part 

Okay guys, UPDATE!

so I jogged to her house (about 3 mi) wednesday morning and she met me and we walked our dogs for at least an hour at a nearby park. It was actually quiet pleasant. On tuesday we talked about the whole relationship thing and how she doesn't want one, so to myself i promised myself not to make any moves toward a relationship. She knows that for now I'm just a close friend, and I think it's working out well. She asked me for some advice (never done that before) and I was actually way looser around her since I'm not trying to impress her. Also, My attitude has totally changed. I don't get all "butthurt" if she can't hang out or if when I invite her to do something she is too busy. I'm just like alright W.e. next time. And I've stopped texting her 24/7. And to my amazement she actually texts me! she usually sends a message when she wakes up and sometimes during the day. I still text her every once in a while but we go for a day or two without talking at all. I think this is good cuz when we see eachother we actually have stuff to catch up on and talk about....

I think its working out for the better. And you never know, when she gets over the "badboy, a$$hole" dating stage in life and wants a real man she'll come looking in my neck of the woods.

Thanks Andre.


you forgot a third option:

We could end up being best friends and she introduces me to one of her good girl friends and gives me a good word 

Sweet, good stuff, bro! Glad to hear this! Keep it up

Ok, so it seems we exercise alllllll the time, and in the future, I can see that getting kinda boring for her. Like all we ever do together is exercise. not really but alot of the time


What are some activities we could do that wouldn't be percieved as romantic? like watching a movie one on one, i mean we could do that but it would almost be weird... not for me, cuz I'd want to do anything with her no matter what, but from her perspective. It might be kinda weird or awkward to do things normally couples would do.


any ideas?

oh, things that would get me brownie points are good too. always looking for those. I already know that when I get my motorcycle license I'm taking her for a ride.  We are both into kinda fun crazy stuff like that. Rock climbing, working out, Active stuff, bike riding, walking dogs, hiking, that sort of deal.

rock climbing is a good one.