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Various Non-Bald Discussions => General Discussion => Topic started by: GASlick on August 21, 2008, 06:55:46 PM
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When did society deteriorate to this point? It's an absolute tragedy.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/21/student.killed.ap/index.html
I know that kids are going to be kids, but this is insane. The details of this are still coming out.
I'm pretty sure we have all been picked on and teased, but I don't ever remember being in fear of my life.
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GA, I agree, It is both sad and frightening to see what we have come to.
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What ever happened to the simple, good ol' fashion playground fist fights?
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This is absolutely horrible.... I long for the days where all you had to worry about living in the City was getting the sh*t kicked out of you. I grew up in one of the roughest areas in Baltimore and attended the WORST Junior High School in the City and I never saw a kid get murdered. I saw a lot of really bad things.... things I hope my kids never see in their life times.... but never anything like this. We fought with our fists when we were pissed....... then got up and went and shot some hoops.
To me , this is an extension of what I call "The Nintendo Generation". Our youth growing up playing video games, constantly alone in their rooms instead of outside learning social skills by interacting with other kids during play, sports, etc..
This Generation has the strongest thumbs in the history of mankind and unfortunately they use them to tote guns.
This young man will be in my Prayers tonight.
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The poor kid had alopecia (did I spell that right?) and had been the subject of much teasing. Why this one kid decided to finish it with a gun is beyond me.
Video games have absolutely tainted an entire generation. We do own a PS2 and the only game we have is Guitar Hero. It is hooked to the TV in the family room and we play as a family. These kids playing these violent video games think life can just be fixed by pushing "RESTART". Their concept of reality is completely screwed up. What really amazes me is when the parents of these violent kids blame "society" for messing up their kids.
My 6 year old daughter has friends talking to her about movies that rated R!!!!! I was NEVER allowed to watch anything above a PG until I was in high school. Basic problem solving and civil resolution of problems seems to be fading into oblivion. I pray for these families.
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To me , this is an extension of what I call "The Nintendo Generation". Our youth growing up playing video games, constantly alone in their rooms instead of outside learning social skills by interacting with other kids during play, sports, etc..
This Generation has the strongest thumbs in the history of mankind and unfortunately they use them to tote guns.
This young man will be in my Prayers tonight.
You nailed it Mike!!! O0
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I hope with all my heart that a child did not lose his life, just because he had no hair on his head! My prayers will be with that child and his family, they will also be with boy that did the shooting. He's going to need all the prayers he can get......I pray for his safety, and hope that he makes it to trial and get the punishment that he deserves. If it does come out in the trail that he killed another human being for something as little as NO HAIR then I for the first time will be in favor of the death penalty for a minor....
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Unreal.
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a terrible tragedy for the child and family and community.
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I hope that there will be many in this young man's school who will start shaving their heads in solidarity. The point is not for them to be sly on a long term basis. But support for the family of this young man.
As for conditions in schools these days, I am sure glad that I am not growing up now. I was given much grief in Junior High as I was the new kid and my dad was a cop, amongst other things. But I didn't feel that I was going to be killed but think I could have been if I was growing up now.
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Unbelievable... that someone would think murder was a solution to a school-yard problem...
How do we reinforce the value of a human life to those who treat it so casually? Do we blame the game makers for the level of violence? Do we blame the parents for allowing their children to become anti-social? Do we blame society for encouraging the use of violence in entertainment? Do we blame commercialism for keeping parents at work 50 to 60 hours a week instead of at home with their families? Do we blame the gun laws for enabling a 15 year old to come to school with a gun? Do we blame the school for not having better security? Do we blame the teachers? the politicians? the media? the internet? anyone?
There seem to be a lot of theories and targets for blame, but little progress in the way of reducing the incidences of lethal violence in our countries.
That I but had the solution...
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Do we blame the parents for allowing their children to become anti-social? Do we blame society for encouraging the use of violence in entertainment? Do we blame commercialism for keeping parents at work 50 to 60 hours a week instead of at home with their families? Do we blame the gun laws for enabling a 15 year old to come to school with a gun? Do we blame the school for not having better security? Do we blame the teachers? the politicians? the media? the internet? anyone?
If we could get their asses off the computer, away from the TV, toss the gameboy in the trash, and make Mom and Dad parents again, we might have a start,
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I find it interesting that many people blame this on gaming systems and TV and other media, they are just a scape goat for bad parenting.
The only people at fault here are namely the parents and the fact that the people who do these things have many other outside factors not even related to any kind of media that could "influence them"
I find it laughable that people that people are still thinking this way, but I suppose its ignorance more than anything.
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I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.
I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias. ;)
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I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.
I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias. ;)
I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different. And from studying marketing I know that advertising is indeed very powerful, and so is media. But they are scapegoats none the less.
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Well.....I will probably get clobbered for saying this.....but I think the problem is as simple as pure old discipline.....when I was young and in school things like this was unheard of....at least where I went to school and was raised.....the teachers then had authority to paddle your a$$ and then when you got home you got your a$$ paddled again......can't do that anymore....the parents would sue the school and social services would take the kids away.....Now when the kids misbehave they get a " time out".....yeah.....really scares the crap out of the kids and makes them behave....good grief.....wake up and realize what's going on.....the kids have all the rights and they know it.....things won't change until society and the government realize they have screwed up......JMO......
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Well.....I will probably get clobbered for saying this.....but I think the problem is as simple as pure old discipline.....when I was young and in school things like this was unheard of....at least where I went to school and was raised.....the teachers then had authority to paddle your a$$ and then when you got home you got your a$$ paddled again......can't do that anymore....the parents would sue the school and social services would take the kids away.....Now when the kids misbehave they get a " time out".....yeah.....really scares the crap out of the kids and makes them behave....good grief.....wake up and realize what's going on.....the kids have all the rights and they know it.....things won't change until society and the government realize they have screwed up......JMO......
YEP >:(
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I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different.
Wait 'til you have children of you own and see if you still believe that.
Brkeatr, I agree completely.
I can remember as a kid I was cycling around the rose garden area in a local park. There was about 4 of us and we were generally just making it unpleasant for anyone that wanted to chill out and enjoy the place. The local policeman stood in the middle of the path and stopped us on our next circuit. He lined us up, took our names and addresses and gave us a quick thump round the ear. Then he told us that if he saw any of us step out of line again he'd tell our parents.
I was terrified. I never did it again.
It just couldn't happen today.
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I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.
I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias. ;)
I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different. And from studying marketing I know that advertising is indeed very powerful, and so is media. But they are scapegoats none the less.
Now that's funny!!! :*))If you think having nieces and nephews is the same as having kids, that is a gross misunderstanding. I think anybody with children would probably agree that the day to day raising of kids is much different than the visitation of nieces and nephews that you don't have to parent 24/7.
I'll bet you're a gamer???
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Well.....I will probably get clobbered for saying this.....but I think the problem is as simple as pure old discipline.....when I was young and in school things like this was unheard of....at least where I went to school and was raised.....the teachers then had authority to paddle your a$$ and then when you got home you got your a$$ paddled again......can't do that anymore....the parents would sue the school and social services would take the kids away.....Now when the kids misbehave they get a " time out".....yeah.....really scares the crap out of the kids and makes them behave....good grief.....wake up and realize what's going on.....the kids have all the rights and they know it.....things won't change until society and the government realize they have screwed up......JMO......
I agree Brkeatr! Since i coach kids in a couple of different sports I see this a lot. I can usually tell the kids that aren't disciplined at home. I tell the parents and the kids at the first practice every year that discipline will be a huge part of our team. I always see a few parents squirm.
Minor hijack here.... A few years back when my son was about three years old we were in a check out line in a grocery store. My son kept grabbing all the things they had hanging along the sides of the line. I told him to stop. He did it again and i grabbed his hand and pulled it back from what he was trying to grab and again told him no. So he grabbed something else.... I pulled his hand back and gave it a little slap. No big deal. He started crying (not because he was physically hurt but because Daddy hurt his feelings). Two ladies behind me in line gasped and started whispering to each other. I let it go at first but they wouldn't stop whispering and staring at me. So I finally said to them, "Ladies is there a problem here?". One on them grunted at me disgustedly, "We can't believe you slapped his hand...... you should never use that kind of discipline on a child".
I kind of chuckled and said to them, "Ladies it's very simple. I can discipline him now while he's young and he'll learn what's right and wrong OR I can let him do what he wants and in about 15 years or so when he jumps out of a bush and mugs and robs you you can remember this day and conversation. I won't be responsible then."
They were shocked and quickly went off to another line.
Back to our regularly scheduled thread.....
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If only adults were allowed to act like adults, as they did when we were younger, then there'd be less problem kids, I'm sure of it.
Like has already been said, if we did wrong, teachers, police, parents, all backed each other up. Children were children and very much secondary to adults. sadly, that whole idea has now been turned on its head through PC namby-pamby adults who want to give children 'rights'. Sure, they should be protected and given certain 'rights' when it comes to child abuse etc: yeah, i agree, but to make children more important than everybody else in society is just wrong. kids have been protected and helped and nurtured until they just don't know right from wrong. They are 'above the law', and that's why these things are happening today.
Ok. rant over. >:(
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I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.
I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias. ;)
I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different. And from studying marketing I know that advertising is indeed very powerful, and so is media. But they are scapegoats none the less.
Now that's funny!!! :*))If you think having nieces and nephews is the same as having kids, that is a gross misunderstanding. I think anybody with children would probably agree that the day to day raising of kids is much different than the visitation of nieces and nephews that you don't have to parent 24/7.
I'll bet you're a gamer???
Well you see the funny thing is my stepbrother and his girlfriend was living with us while she was pregnant, with my neice at the time, and then my nephew came along and all four of them stayed with us for about six months. They both worked so I had plenty of experience by the time they left.
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Here is the picture of Ryan McDonald, the victim of the shooting.
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I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.
I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias. ;)
I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different. And from studying marketing I know that advertising is indeed very powerful, and so is media. But they are scapegoats none the less.
Now that's funny!!! :*))If you think having nieces and nephews is the same as having kids, that is a gross misunderstanding. I think anybody with children would probably agree that the day to day raising of kids is much different than the visitation of nieces and nephews that you don't have to parent 24/7.
I'll bet you're a gamer???
Well you see the funny thing is my stepbrother and his girlfriend was living with us while she was pregnant, with my neice at the time, and then my nephew came along and all four of them stayed with us for about six months. They both worked so I had plenty of experience by the time they left.
Six months.... LOL!! Try day to day for about 20 years or so.
I'm still betting you're a gamer....
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We've had a lot of threads that have had discussions of societal differences, this no different.
And yes Shdwwlk, 6 months of just living with a child THAT'S NOT EVEN YOUR CHILD is NOTHING compared to the responsibility of raising your own. I have an 8 and 10 year old and am actively involved in their upbringing. We are constantly having conversations about proper behavior and ways to treat people. Not because they are ill mannered (far from it), but we are always making sure they make the correct decision.
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We've had a lot of threads that have had discussions of societal differences, this no different.
And yes Shdwwlk, 6 months of just living with a child THAT'S NOT EVEN YOUR CHILD is NOTHING compared to the responsibility of raising your own. I have an 8 and 10 year old and am actively involved in their upbringing. We are constantly having conversations about proper behavior and ways to treat people. Not because they are ill mannered (far from it), but we are always making sure they make the correct decision.
Bravo SCHRO! I have a 23 year old, an 11 year old, and a 6 year old and this is exactly how we do/did our child rearing.
6 months with a young niece and a newborn......LOL! You could go to your room and play video games if they got on your nerves! :*))
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We've had a lot of threads that have had discussions of societal differences, this no different.
And yes Shdwwlk, 6 months of just living with a child THAT'S NOT EVEN YOUR CHILD is NOTHING compared to the responsibility of raising your own. I have an 8 and 10 year old and am actively involved in their upbringing. We are constantly having conversations about proper behavior and ways to treat people. Not because they are ill mannered (far from it), but we are always making sure they make the correct decision.
Easy there Cujo, all I was illustrating was that I've had "some" experience and that is enough to form an opinion.
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Cujo? ???
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Cujo? ???
Obviously you aren't familiar with proper "netiquette" typing in all caps denotes yelling, bolding said caps even more so.
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Obviously not well versed in netiquette....too busy raising my kids. O0
Where do people come up with these terms anyway? :*))
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Obviously not well versed in netiquette....too busy raising my kids. O0
Where do people come up with these terms anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
Netiquette is also taught in many professional skills development classes in Universities and Colleges. It's more about common sense and respecting others than anything.
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Obviously not well versed in netiquette....too busy raising my kids. O0
Where do people come up with these terms anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
Netiquette is also taught in many professional skills development classes in Universities and Colleges. It's more about common sense and respecting others than anything.
My sincerest apologies if I've offended you or anyone else with my (unknown) "yelling".
By the way, if you're implying I'm lacking in either common sense or respect of others you're way off!!!
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Obviously not well versed in netiquette....too busy raising my kids. O0
Where do people come up with these terms anyway? :*))
SCHRO-
They think these terms up while they're locked up in their rooms playing video games!!! :*)) :*))
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Obviously not well versed in netiquette....too busy raising my kids. O0
By the way, if you're implying I'm lacking in either common sense or respect of others you're way off!!!
I'll have to defend SCHRO on this one.... he's always respectful of me when he tells me I have no taste in music.... ;)
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Obviously not well versed in netiquette....too busy raising my kids. O0
Where do people come up with these terms anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
Netiquette is also taught in many professional skills development classes in Universities and Colleges. It's more about common sense and respecting others than anything.
My sincerest apologies if I've offended you or anyone else with my (unknown) "yelling".
By the way, if you're implying I'm lacking in either common sense or respect of others you're way off!!!
I wasn't implying anything. And very little offends me, except for hip-hop and rap culture.
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I'll have to defend SCHRO on this one.... he's always respectful of me when he tells me I have no taste in music.... ;)
Well, you don't! :D
On this subject, I think there are many factors that lead to these events... It can't be nailed down to just one. Lack of good parenting, violent video games/shows, lack of discipline (or the ability to discipline), etc have dragged these kids into a psuedo world where there are no perceived consequences to their actions. They are part of the entitlement generation that believes that the world should be handed to them on a silver platter. Video games are the norm, not the exception... they have accountability to no one except themselves...
The technology that has gotten our world to the point where we are now IS to blame... as are parents that use that technology to replace them. Then throw in the societial condemnation of discipline, and we're fucked for the future! Many kids today, while smarter than previous generations, truly have no sense of right, wrong, or common sense, in addition to a total and utter lack of respect.
And before any of you parents go off on the single guy with no kids... I did have stepkids that I raised from a very young age until my divorce (which was a hell of a lot longer than 6 months). I took much more responsibility for teaching them right and wrong and discipling them than their mother did!
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I'll have to defend SCHRO on this one.... he's always respectful of me when he tells me I have no taste in music.... ;)
Well, you don't! :D
On this subject, I think there are many factors that lead to these events... It can't be nailed down to just one. Lack of good parenting, violent video games/shows, lack of discipline (or the ability to discipline), etc have dragged these kids into a psuedo world where there are no perceived consequences to their actions. They are part of the entitlement generation that believes that the world should be handed to them on a silver platter. Video games are the norm, not the exception... they have accountability to no one except themselves...
The technology that has gotten our world to the point where we are now IS to blame... as are parents that use that technology to replace them. Then throw in the societial condemnation of discipline, and we're f**ked for the future! Many kids today, while smarter than previous generations, truly have no sense of right, wrong, or common sense, in addition to a total and utter lack of respect.
And before any of you parents go off on the single guy with no kids... I did have stepkids that I raised from a very young age until my divorce (which was a hell of a lot longer than 6 months). I took much more responsibility for teaching them right and wrong and discipling them than their mother did!
You nailed it.
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Schro, what the hell did you do now.? You trouble maker you... :*))
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Schro, what the hell did you do now.? You trouble maker you... :*))
I apparently lack netiquette....though I was under the impression that placing things in some different type of font (or caps, bold, or italics) is done to emphasize a point. That's how I've always viewed this when I've drafted reports for counsel.
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I'll have to defend SCHRO on this one.... he's always respectful of me when he tells me I have no taste in music.... ;)
Well, you don't! :D
On this subject, I think there are many factors that lead to these events... It can't be nailed down to just one. Lack of good parenting, violent video games/shows, lack of discipline (or the ability to discipline), etc have dragged these kids into a psuedo world where there are no perceived consequences to their actions. They are part of the entitlement generation that believes that the world should be handed to them on a silver platter. Video games are the norm, not the exception... they have accountability to no one except themselves...
The technology that has gotten our world to the point where we are now IS to blame... as are parents that use that technology to replace them. Then throw in the societial condemnation of discipline, and we're f**ked for the future! Many kids today, while smarter than previous generations, truly have no sense of right, wrong, or common sense, in addition to a total and utter lack of respect.
And before any of you parents go off on the single guy with no kids... I did have stepkids that I raised from a very young age until my divorce (which was a hell of a lot longer than 6 months). I took much more responsibility for teaching them right and wrong and discipling them than their mother did!
Not really getting how technology is to blame. Without technology we wouldnt have this great website where we can all communicate.
Now as far as this story is concerned. Its a shame...and my heart goes out to this kids family.
Honestly...I dont think this has anything to do with technology or videogames. It comes down to parenting. Pure and simple. Teach your kids right from wrong, be involved with them..give them positive reinforcement and be a role model for them. Video games, sports stars,rock stars are not role models and they have no responsibility to be one either...parents are. Practice what you preach with your kids from DAY 1...
And time outs DO work. If you start them at age 2....if you try it when a kid is 8 years old then yes you will be laughed at . You are in control of your kids until they are 18 and many things can be taken away if they break the rules.
Parenting without hitting your kids takes time and patience...many people dont have that...or they are really just kids themselves raising kids. or they have so many kids they cant devote enough time to raising them correctly.
Parents need to stop blaming society for why their kids are a certain way and take a look in the mirror. Society DOES play a role...if your involvement as a parent is lacking.
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Not really getting how technology is to blame. Without technology we wouldnt have this great website where we can all communicate.
Now as far as this story is concerned. Its a shame...and my heart goes out to this kids family.
Honestly...I dont think this has anything to do with technology or videogames. It comes down to parenting. Pure and simple. Teach your kids right from wrong, be involved with them..give them positive reinforcement and be a role model for them. Video games, sports stars,rock stars are not role models and they have no responsibility to be one either...parents are. Practice what you preach with your kids from DAY 1...
And time outs DO work. If you start them at age 2....if you try it when a kid is 8 years old then yes you will be laughed at . You are in control of your kids until they are 18 and many things can be taken away if they break the rules.
Parenting without hitting your kids takes time and patience...many people dont have that...or they are really just kids themselves raising kids. or they have so many kids they cant devote enough time to raising them correctly.
Parents need to stop blaming society for why their kids are a certain way and take a look in the mirror. Society DOES play a role...if your involvement as a parent is lacking.
couldn't agree more.
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To ALL of the SBG's that are much more than parents, chosing to be MOMS and DADS instead, Good for you guys and gals! You know who you are.
Mrs. BW and I do not have kids, but we cherish that limited time we have with our nieces and nephews dearly. We try very hard to teach our young relatives right from wrong.
My nephews and nieces still come and ask me for advice. Part of me of is proud that these young men and women value my opinion, but part of me wonders why they can't talk to their Moms and Dads about the same things. I tell them the honest truth, if I don't know the answer to a question, I tell them so. I don't hand them a line of BS. Young people can spot this a mile away.
Sometimes being an uncle is tough, so I can only begin to imagine what it takes to raise children. Moms and Dads have my total respect.
As a squad leader, and a platoon sergeant in the Army, I saw first hand what too much time playing video games does to young people. I would try to get some of these barracks rats to go to the club and live a little, but nothing doing. Nintendo was way too important. Hey! I've been a gamer since 1989, but in MODERATION! Too much of anything isn't healthy. I used to tell the guys in my platoon: "Donkey Kong won't help you get laid!"
For what it's worth, that's my 2 cents.
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I used to tell the guys in my platoon: "Donkey Kong won't help you get laid!"
Cmon Buck...you've never seen all the hot chicks hanging out beside the Donkey Kong machine
watching guys play ? ^-^
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To ALL of the SBG's that are much more than parents, chosing to be MOMS and DADS instead, Good for you guys and gals! You know who you are.
Mrs. BW and I do not have kids, but we cherish that limited time we have with our nieces and nephews dearly. We try very hard to teach our young relatives right from wrong.
My nephews and nieces still come and ask me for advice. Part of me of is proud that these young men and women value my opinion, but part of me wonders why they can't talk to their Moms and Dads about the same things. I tell them the honest truth, if I don't know the answer to a question, I tell them so. I don't hand them a line of BS. Young people can spot this a mile away.
Sometimes being an uncle is tough, so I can only begin to imagine what it takes to raise children. Moms and Dads have my total respect.
As a squad leader, and a platoon sergeant in the Army, I saw first hand what too much time playing video games does to young people. I would try to get some of these barracks rats to go to the club and live a little, but nothing doing. Nintendo was way too important. Hey! I've been a gamer since 1989, but in MODERATION! Too much of anything isn't healthy. I used to tell the guys in my platoon: "Donkey Kong won't help you get laid!"
For what it's worth, that's my 2 cents.
Words of wisdom BW!
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I used to tell the guys in my platoon: "Donkey Kong won't help you get laid!"
Cmon Buck...you've never seen all the hot chicks hanging out beside the Donkey Kong machine
watching guys play ? ^-^
Yup! They looked like they could beat up Donkey Kong too! ;D
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Seriously, my prayers go out to this young man and his family.