An absolute tragedy

[Brkeatr]

Well.....I will probably get clobbered for saying this.....but I think the problem is as simple as pure old discipline.....when I was young and in school things like this was unheard of....at least where I went to school and was raised.....the teachers then had authority to paddle your a$$ and then when you got home you got your a$$ paddled again......can't do that anymore....the parents would sue the school and social services would take the kids away.....Now when the kids misbehave they get a " time out".....yeah.....really scares the crap out of the kids and makes them behave....good grief.....wake up and realize what's going on.....the kids have all the rights and they know it.....things won't change until society and the government realize they have screwed up......JMO......

[nomad]

Well.....I will probably get clobbered for saying this.....but I think the problem is as simple as pure old discipline.....when I was young and in school things like this was unheard of....at least where I went to school and was raised.....the teachers then had authority to paddle your a$$ and then when you got home you got your a$$ paddled again......can't do that anymore....the parents would sue the school and social services would take the kids away.....Now when the kids misbehave they get a " time out".....yeah.....really scares the crap out of the kids and makes them behave....good grief.....wake up and realize what's going on.....the kids have all the rights and they know it.....things won't change until society and the government realize they have screwed up......JMO......

YEP

[StumpyDave]

I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different.

Wait 'til you have children of you own and see if you still believe that.

Brkeatr, I agree completely.
I can remember as a kid I was cycling around the rose garden area in a local park.  There was about 4 of us and we were generally just making it unpleasant for anyone that wanted to chill out and enjoy the place.  The local policeman stood in the middle of the path and stopped us on our next circuit.  He lined us up, took our names and addresses and gave us a quick thump round the ear.  Then he told us that if he saw any of us step out of line again he'd tell our parents.
I was terrified.  I never did it again.
It just couldn't happen today.

[Mikekoz13]

I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.

I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias.

I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different. And from studying marketing I know that advertising is indeed very powerful, and so is media. But they are scapegoats none the less.

Now that's funny!!!  :*))If you think having nieces and nephews is the same as having kids, that is a gross misunderstanding. I think anybody with children would probably agree that the day to day raising of kids is much different than the visitation of nieces and nephews that you don't have to parent 24/7.

I'll bet you're a gamer???

[Mikekoz13]

Well.....I will probably get clobbered for saying this.....but I think the problem is as simple as pure old discipline.....when I was young and in school things like this was unheard of....at least where I went to school and was raised.....the teachers then had authority to paddle your a$$ and then when you got home you got your a$$ paddled again......can't do that anymore....the parents would sue the school and social services would take the kids away.....Now when the kids misbehave they get a " time out".....yeah.....really scares the crap out of the kids and makes them behave....good grief.....wake up and realize what's going on.....the kids have all the rights and they know it.....things won't change until society and the government realize they have screwed up......JMO......

I agree Brkeatr! Since i coach kids in a couple of different sports I see this a lot. I can usually tell the kids that aren't disciplined at home. I tell the parents and the kids at the first practice every year that discipline will be a huge part of our team. I always see a few parents squirm.

Minor hijack here.... A few years back when my son was about three years old we were in a check out line in a grocery store. My son kept grabbing all the things they had hanging along the sides of the line. I told him to stop. He did it again and i grabbed his hand and pulled it back from what he was trying to grab and again told him no. So he grabbed something else.... I pulled his hand back and gave it a little slap. No big deal. He started crying (not because he was physically hurt but because Daddy hurt his feelings). Two ladies behind me in line gasped and started whispering to each other. I let it go at first but they wouldn't stop whispering and staring at me. So I finally said to them, "Ladies is there a problem here?". One on them grunted at me disgustedly, "We can't believe you slapped his hand...... you should never use that kind of discipline on a child".

I kind of chuckled and said to them, "Ladies it's very simple. I can discipline him now while he's young and he'll learn what's right and wrong OR I can let him do what he wants and in about 15 years or so when he jumps out of a bush and mugs and robs you you can remember this day and conversation. I won't be responsible then."

They were shocked and quickly went off to another line.


Back to our regularly scheduled thread.....

[Rob]

If only adults were allowed to act like adults, as they did when we were younger, then there'd be less problem kids, I'm sure of it.

Like has already been said, if we did wrong, teachers, police, parents, all backed each other up.  Children were children and very much secondary to adults.  sadly, that whole idea has now been turned on its head through PC namby-pamby adults who want to give children 'rights'.  Sure, they should be protected and given certain 'rights' when it comes to child abuse etc: yeah, i agree, but to make children more important than everybody else in society is just wrong.  kids have been protected and helped and nurtured until they just don't know right from wrong.  They are 'above the law', and that's why these things are happening today.

Ok.  rant over.

[Alexander215]

I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.

I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias.

I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different. And from studying marketing I know that advertising is indeed very powerful, and so is media. But they are scapegoats none the less.

Now that's funny!!!  :*))If you think having nieces and nephews is the same as having kids, that is a gross misunderstanding. I think anybody with children would probably agree that the day to day raising of kids is much different than the visitation of nieces and nephews that you don't have to parent 24/7.

I'll bet you're a gamer???

Well you see the funny thing is my stepbrother and his girlfriend was living with us while she was pregnant, with my neice at the time, and then my nephew came along and all four of them stayed with us for about six months. They both worked so I had plenty of experience by the time they left.

[marshd1000]

Here is the picture of Ryan McDonald, the victim of the shooting.

[Mikekoz13]

I don't know if you have kids Shdwwlk but it isn't that simple. The kids are bombarded by the media and pure old fashioned peer pressure.

I agree that too many folks use TV, game systems, etc. as babysitters but there is no denying that many kids are less social due to these things. If you have kids, then you know what I mean. If you don't have kids..... well then maybe you have a game system bias.

I have nieces and nephews. Which really isn't any different. And from studying marketing I know that advertising is indeed very powerful, and so is media. But they are scapegoats none the less.

Now that's funny!!!  :*))If you think having nieces and nephews is the same as having kids, that is a gross misunderstanding. I think anybody with children would probably agree that the day to day raising of kids is much different than the visitation of nieces and nephews that you don't have to parent 24/7.

I'll bet you're a gamer???

Well you see the funny thing is my stepbrother and his girlfriend was living with us while she was pregnant, with my neice at the time, and then my nephew came along and all four of them stayed with us for about six months. They both worked so I had plenty of experience by the time they left.

Six months.... LOL!! Try day to day for about 20 years or so.

I'm still betting you're a gamer....

[schro]

We've had a lot of threads that have had discussions of societal differences, this no different.

And yes Shdwwlk, 6 months of just living with a child THAT'S NOT EVEN YOUR CHILD is NOTHING compared to the responsibility of raising your own. I have an 8 and 10 year old and am actively involved in their upbringing. We are constantly having conversations about proper behavior and ways to treat people. Not because they are ill mannered (far from it), but we are always making sure they make the correct decision.

[Mikekoz13]

We've had a lot of threads that have had discussions of societal differences, this no different.

And yes Shdwwlk, 6 months of just living with a child THAT'S NOT EVEN YOUR CHILD is NOTHING compared to the responsibility of raising your own. I have an 8 and 10 year old and am actively involved in their upbringing. We are constantly having conversations about proper behavior and ways to treat people. Not because they are ill mannered (far from it), but we are always making sure they make the correct decision.

Bravo SCHRO! I have a 23 year old, an 11 year old, and a 6 year old and this is exactly how we do/did our child rearing.
6 months with a young niece and a newborn......LOL! You could go to your room and play video games if they got on your nerves!

[Alexander215]

We've had a lot of threads that have had discussions of societal differences, this no different.

And yes Shdwwlk, 6 months of just living with a child THAT'S NOT EVEN YOUR CHILD is NOTHING compared to the responsibility of raising your own. I have an 8 and 10 year old and am actively involved in their upbringing. We are constantly having conversations about proper behavior and ways to treat people. Not because they are ill mannered (far from it), but we are always making sure they make the correct decision.

Easy there Cujo, all I was illustrating was that I've had "some" experience and that is enough to form an opinion.

[schro]

Cujo? 

[Alexander215]

Cujo? 

Obviously you aren't familiar with proper "netiquette" typing in all caps denotes yelling, bolding said caps even more so.

[schro]

Obviously not well versed in netiquette....too busy raising my kids. 


Where do people come up with these terms anyway?