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#30 by no1birdman on 26 Oct, 2008 10:25
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He has not been captured because the do not want to.Bin Laden's family was flown out of the US on the very day of September 11. This is documented and a known fact. Why was his family taken care of? The family of the so-called terrorist who is responsible for the 911 attacks suddenly gets carte blanche. Has anyone put this together? George W. Bush has put it together all to well and the American public and media have let it pass so easily. This is an outrage. British snipers had him in there sights and were ordered down by the americans, Why
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#31 by Brkeatr on 26 Oct, 2008 11:00
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If all that is true, I have no answer that's for sure....we don't know half the things that go on in this world....
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#32 by Tyler on 26 Oct, 2008 20:29
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This is an outrage. British snipers had him in there sights and were ordered down by the americans, Why
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#33 by no1birdman on 27 Oct, 2008 02:14
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A new documentary just released claims that French Special Forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights on more than one occasion in the last 3 years; however their US superiors never ordered them to fire.
A French soldier in the documentary says "In 2003 and 2004 we had bin Laden in our sights. The sniper said 'I have bin Laden,'".
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#34 by SLYinKC on 27 Oct, 2008 04:21
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A new documentary just released claims that French Special Forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights on more than one occasion in the last 3 years; however their US superiors never ordered them to fire.
A French soldier in the documentary says "In 2003 and 2004 we had bin Laden in our sights. The sniper said 'I have bin Laden,'".
Why would "US" commanders "ORDER" the "French" to fire???
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#35 by no1birdman on 27 Oct, 2008 04:37
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Because in some conflicts you are under there jurisdiction. Wnen you are a sniper you can not just shoot at the enemy you have to radio back with usually your observer to say you have target in sight.Then and only then can you shoot, it is not like in films.
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#36 by SLYinKC on 27 Oct, 2008 06:01
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Because in some conflicts you are under there jurisdiction. Wnen you are a sniper you can not just shoot at the enemy you have to radio back with usually your observer to say you have target in sight.Then and only then can you shoot, it is not like in films.
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#37 by no1birdman on 27 Oct, 2008 06:12
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It was the special forces who had him, a ordinary soldier might have fired.Killing or capturing OBL could become a rallying point for radical islamists. If he is killed he becomes a martyr and boosts the cause. If he is captured it could trigger outrageous attacks aimed at forcing his release. It' probably more advantageous to let him live out his days shivering in a cave.
It could also shed light on the fact the George W. Bush let him go when he was trapped at Tora Bora.
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#38 by schro on 27 Oct, 2008 06:39
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It could also shed light on the fact the George W. Bush let him go when he was trapped at Tora Bora.
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Hmmmm, could have sworn that was actually National Security Advisor Sandy Berger under the Clinton Administration.
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#39 by no1birdman on 27 Oct, 2008 06:49
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The Battle of Tora Bora was a military engagement that took place in Afghanistan in December 2001. U.S. forces believed that al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was hiding in the rugged mountains.
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#40 by schro on 27 Oct, 2008 06:52
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Well, I stand corrected.
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#41 by no1birdman on 27 Oct, 2008 07:08
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the American operation in Afghanistan has been heavy-handed and bloody, long on firepower and short on results. By failing to capture bin Laden, the Bush administration has become increasingly vulnerable to criticism. The administration's bellicose reaction, declaring its intent to prosecute the "war on terror" on new fronts, is a worrying byproduct of this failure. That the war has so far been conducted in such a haphazard and overblown manner would seem to indicate that certain forces have something to gain from prolonging this impotent war strategy. In the long run, this strategy is not beneficial for the safety of the average American citizen – nor for citizens of other countries. And it is not promising for any realistic hope of capturing Osama bin Laden.
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#42 by Tyler on 27 Oct, 2008 14:45
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the American operation in Afghanistan has been heavy-handed and bloody, long on firepower and short on results. By failing to capture bin Laden, the Bush administration has become increasingly vulnerable to criticism. The administration's bellicose reaction, declaring its intent to prosecute the "war on terror" on new fronts, is a worrying byproduct of this failure. That the war has so far been conducted in such a haphazard and overblown manner would seem to indicate that certain forces have something to gain from prolonging this impotent war strategy. In the long run, this strategy is not beneficial for the safety of the average American citizen – nor for citizens of other countries. And it is not promising for any realistic hope of capturing Osama bin Laden.
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#43 by Brkeatr on 27 Oct, 2008 16:02
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the American operation in Afghanistan has been heavy-handed and bloody, long on firepower and short on results. By failing to capture bin Laden, the Bush administration has become increasingly vulnerable to criticism. The administration's bellicose reaction, declaring its intent to prosecute the "war on terror" on new fronts, is a worrying byproduct of this failure. That the war has so far been conducted in such a haphazard and overblown manner would seem to indicate that certain forces have something to gain from prolonging this impotent war strategy. In the long run, this strategy is not beneficial for the safety of the average American citizen – nor for citizens of other countries. And it is not promising for any realistic hope of capturing Osama bin Laden.
Nice plagiarism - http://www.antiwar.com/orig/deliso35.html
Yes, I see that in the very last paragraph.... -
#44 by schro on 27 Oct, 2008 17:12