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Earthlings Documentary
Alexander215:
I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian [I eat eggs and drink milk] have been since I was 10 years old and I don't regret anything, in the beginning I took cooking classes and talked to a dietitian and every time they see me they're amazed at how healthy I am.
My reason for turning? The environment.
Robmeister:
--- Quote from: X The Hierophant on January 30, 2008, 02:00:44 PM ---As for your comments on abortion, I do not think that topic falls within the scope of this documentary,
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You are correct...it doesn't fall within the scope of this documentary....but because of selective portrayal of so-called morality.
Yeah, if a documentary strictly about cruelty to animals is on Animal Planet.....sure, that would not be the place to discuss human abortion.
But if a film is decrying man's inhumanity to man, sexism, racism, specieism, etc...and drawing MORAL conclusions it should be in there. What's the difference between the images of slavery and Hitler prominently portrayed in this film....murdering millions of Jews because of a twisted mindset......and murdering millions of babies because of a twisted mindset? Why would one be portrayed and decried, while the other is ignored? It's ALL FRIGGEN HEINOUS and should rightly ALL be included.
For a person or organization--with a passion and moral conviction for the environment, specieism, or whatever--to chain themselves to a tree in an attempt to save it from being cut down....for someone to spend their life to SAVE THE WHALES or save the dolphins from the tuna nets....puppies from puppy farms....exploitation and cruelty to animals....Decrying Michael Vick and all that (ALL worthy and passionate causes, I might add).... and at the SAME TIME (same documentary or whatever) ignore or be less concerned about the murderous millions of babies being slaughtered....is ridiculous.
See, there I go again.
--- Quote from: JDog on January 30, 2008, 06:16:07 PM ---I think strong debate on issues is good for this forum. If everyone agreed with each other about every single issue it would be quite a boring place.
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YEP !!
JDog:
This film, as poigant and eye opening as it is, chooses to leave out the issue of Abortion and focus solely on Mankinds exploitation of animals. Therein lies the problem. Robmeister said it well
"Selective Portrayal".
JDog:
You will rarely if at all find an Animals Rights activist who is is also Pro-Life. Work that logic out
Cameron:
--- Quote from: Robmeister on January 30, 2008, 07:18:44 PM ---
But if a film is decrying man's inhumanity to man, sexism, racism, specieism, etc...and drawing MORAL conclusions it should be in there. What's the difference between the images of slavery and Hitler prominently portrayed in this film....murdering millions of Jews because of a twisted mindset......and murdering millions of babies because of a twisted mindset? Why would one be portrayed and decried, while the other is ignored? It's ALL FRIGGEN HEINOUS and should rightly ALL be included.
For a person or organization--with a passion and moral conviction for the environment, specieism, or whatever--to chain themselves to a tree in an attempt to save it from being cut down....for someone to spend their life to SAVE THE WHALES or save the dolphins from the tuna nets....puppies from puppy farms....exploitation and cruelty to animals....Decrying Michael Vick and all that (ALL worthy and passionate causes, I might add).... and at the SAME TIME (same documentary or whatever) ignore or be less concerned about the murderous millions of babies being slaughtered....is ridiculous.
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I agree with Rob, to an extent.
IMO, animal rights are a reasonably strong argument against most abortions even if one does not believe that fetuses are children. Even if a fetus isn't a child, certainly its worth or value is greater than a chicken. In other words, those of us against killing animals for food might be similarly against killing fetuses, because at the most basic level, fetuses are animals, too.
I'm not sure whether I'm pro-life or not, but at this analogy seems pretty persuasive.
(not to get too political or anything :) )
Perhaps this demonstrates an inconsistency in animal rights proponents who are also pro-choice. But even if that inconsistency exists, I don't know that we can expect them to portray it in a persuasive piece like this...
With all respect to X (this was a great thing to post), but more generally, I wonder sometimes whether these sorts of "documentaries" are worthwhile. After all, hollywood can make me (at least for a moment) want to leave my life and go be Rambo, against all rational arguments. Couldn't they have at least as powerful of an effect on our politics?
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