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Earthlings Documentary
Robmeister:
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I fully support someones decision to become Vegan or anything they wish to do in life.
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Yeah....no biggie
--- Quote from: JDog on January 29, 2008, 08:19:33 PM ---
....the hypocricy and idiocy of the Straight Edge Vegan movement of the 90's.
These idiots can go F**k themselves O0
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Similar to my "hollywood" scenario....HYPOCRACY.
Definitely a powerful flick there X.....a lot some of what they say is right on.....cruelty to animals....man's inhumanity to man...racism...sexism...AMEN ! But specieism? As far as cruelty or the cruel exploitation of animals.....yeah...AMEN! But to stretch that over to whether or not to eat meat?
Brilliantly assembled horrific images, I must say. And some of those idiots on there that joked around and got morbid pleasure out of the processes is pretty sick.
However, I noticed that conspicuously absent were any scenes and images of torn-apart body parts of defenseless, innocent little babies being tossed into a bloody bucket like garbage after feeling the excrutiating agony of being torn apart and then sucked out of a girl's uterus by a razor-sharp vacuum cleaner because of a twisted view of "woman's choice." Seems like that would fall inline with the premise of this film.
The powerful music and dramatic movie-star narration notwithstanding, this just showed me how selective and hypocritical (and ignorant) hollywood can be.
Eat meat....don't eat meat....fine.
Personal conviction to immediately cease eating meat after viewing something like this?...fine.
But then--by golly--it follows quite logically and consistantly that one needs to start re-thinking their views on suede shoes, leather jackets, leather work boots, cowboy boots, leather upholstery, footballs, baseballs, razor strops, etc....
I don't for one second buy that--as the film at least attempts to insinuate--I am an immoral, dimwitted, purveyor of specieist evils because I eat meat.
Besides, it's WAY less complicated because I like leather shoes, boots, jackets, upholstery, and all that. :)
Just my 2 cents :-X
X The Hierophant:
--- Quote from: Robmeister on January 30, 2008, 12:02:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: JDog on January 29, 2008, 08:19:33 PM ---
I fully support someones decision to become Vegan or anything they wish to do in life.
--- End quote ---
Yeah....no biggie
--- Quote from: JDog on January 29, 2008, 08:19:33 PM ---
....the hypocricy and idiocy of the Straight Edge Vegan movement of the 90's.
These idiots can go F**k themselves O0
--- End quote ---
Similar to my "hollywood" scenario....HYPOCRACY.
Definitely a powerful flick there X.....a lot some of what they say is right on.....cruelty to animals....man's inhumanity to man...racism...sexism...AMEN ! But specieism? As far as cruelty or the cruel exploitation of animals.....yeah...AMEN! But to stretch that over to whether or not to eat meat?
Brilliantly assembled horrific images, I must say. And some of those idiots on there that joked around and got morbid pleasure out of the processes is pretty sick.
However, I noticed that conspicuously absent were any scenes and images of torn-apart body parts of defenseless, innocent little babies being tossed into a bloody bucket like garbage after feeling the excrutiating agony of being torn apart and then sucked out of a girl's uterus by a razor-sharp vacuum cleaner because of a twisted view of "woman's choice." Seems like that would fall inline with the premise of this film.
The powerful music and dramatic movie-star narration notwithstanding, this just showed me how selective and hypocritical (and ignorant) hollywood can be.
Eat meat....don't eat meat....fine.
Personal conviction to immediately cease eating meat after viewing something like this?...fine.
But then--by golly--it follows quite logically and consistantly that one needs to start re-thinking their views on suede shoes, leather jackets, leather work boots, cowboy boots, leather upholstery, footballs, baseballs, razor strops, etc....
I don't for one second buy that--as the film at least attempts to insinuate--I am an immoral, dimwitted, purveyor of specieist evils because I eat meat.
Besides, it's WAY less complicated because I like leather shoes, boots, jackets, upholstery, and all that. :)
Just my 2 cents :-X
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Ok, by the tone of this post it is appearent to me that this is appearently a very sore topic for you.
Instead of perpetuating a debate, I would just like to re-state the intent of my initial post. I recently decided to go vegan, and in researching this topic I found a link to a free documentary that I thought was extremely well done. I assumed that there may be some readers here that would appreciate a link to a free documentary. That is all I was attempting. I was not trying to start a debate on animal rights.
A documentary is by its very nature a film giving a viewpoint on a topic. Some documentaries I agree with, and others I do not; but I always enjoy a good documentary regardless of my agreement, as they spark new ideas and let you see things from another person's/group's perspective. I thought some readers here would enjoy this one. I did not anticipate such a visceral reaction.
Again, apologies if I offended. I simply thought a few people would enjoy a free film.
Replies to some of your comments:
Veganism does include attempting to eliminate animal products such as suede shoes, leather jackets, leather work boots, cowboy boots, leather upholstery, footballs, baseballs, razor strops, etc. - I don't really see how this bothers you however as I have made no posts attempting to convince people to adopt a vegan lifestlyle - I only posted a thread sharing a documentary.
As for your comments on abortion, I do not think that topic falls within the scope of this documentary, but I would be open to watching one that covers this topic. I do not see how this relates, but do agree with you that this is a prominent moral issue of our age (along with cloning, global warming, genocide, and a host of other things).
Tyler:
No need to apologize X. I think some people that aren't to exposed to a wide range of people that are vegetarians or vegans tend to associate them with the extremists that we often see on TV and who also associate themselves with other causes.
Thanks for posting up the film, I'm sure it will help those that are considering their freedom to choose to be a vegetarian or vegan.
Robmeister:
--- Quote from: X The Hierophant link=topic=4301.msg72949#msg72949 date=1201726844[i ---].....this is appearently a very sore topic for you. [/i]
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Nahhh....not a "very sore" subject....certain things just bug me and I can be a verbose idiot when it comes to speaking my mind about it. That's all.
You don't bother me, X...nor the fact that you shared that film. Have at it! I just got on my high horse, critical about nuances of the film. And it probably won't be the last time I offer a java-fueled diarreah of the mouth soap box.
If I were REALLY and SERIOUSLY offended, I would PM you and flame ya.
No doubt that is a POWERFUL film and very well done.
JDog:
X, I watched the film in its entirety last night , Very well done. There were some things that the film tried to say that I didnt agree with but overrall I found it a very insightful and powerful documentary.
I think strong debate on issues is good for this forum. If everyone agreed with each other about every single issue it would be quite a boring place.
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