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NFL Labor Negotiations--a problem looming????
« on: January 13, 2011, 08:49:55 AM »
Although the focus of attention is now on the Superbowl Playoffs, the labor negotiations that must be addressed seem to be getting little if any real and meaningful attention.  I've found it hard to find any clear expression of the issues from both sides, players & owners.  The following is excerpted from our local "rag"--and I'm the first to say that we have really p_ss poor sports reporting in NO.  Any of you guys seen any decent reporting on this issue????

New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees turns his attention to NFL labor situation

Published: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 6:39 AM     Updated: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 8:15 AM
James Varney, The Times-Picayune By James Varney, The Times-Picayune

The New Orleans Saints cleared out their lockers Tuesday in a glum atmosphere, * * *

More pressing was the knowledge that athletic life might be in jeopardy, at least in the short term. With the collective bargaining agreement between the NFL owners and players due to expire in March, the players' union has repeatedly voiced fears of a lockout before the 2011 season. There is no requirement the sides come to an agreement by March, or prepare for a protracted and possibly hostile negotiation, but the players said Tuesday they are aware of that possibility while also dreading it.

As usual, quarterback and union executive Drew Brees stepped into the breach and outlined the players' point of view.

"It's a serious concern, it's definitely a concern, when you look at every move that ownership has made in regard to the negotiation of their TV contracts and the league with the networks Ñ they're set to get paid even if we don't play Ñ so there's revenue streams in place for ownership to make money even if we don't play games. Which would let you (say) that they're preparing for (a lockout) to happen," Brees said.

"So we as players have to do the same. We've been saving, we've been talking about it, communicating within the teams and within the (union) just to prepare for a worst-case scenario, which would be that they locked the doors on us, locked the stadiums, and they don't allow us to play football."

Back in December the union warned players they should save their last three game checks, a pose most players said they adopted.

"I've been saving paychecks for a long time," tight end David Thomas said. "It's something that, when we realized this might come up, we started putting money aside, and hopefully everybody has done that."

Thomas, like some two dozen other Saints, also are facing contract expirations. No one knows when contract negotiations might begin, given the uncertainty of the labor deal, or how a new deal might change the rules of such negotiations.

"This is a big off season for me and also for the whole NFL, and we've got to just kind of wait and see what happens," Thomas said.

"It's definitely a concern Ñ this is my job, and any time I'm not going to be able to work that's a concern, especially because I've got a wife and two kids and all that to go home to. My contract is up, so I've told them I want to be back here, so if we can get all the CBA stuff ironed out we can get a contract, but until that time comes we're just kind of in limbo."

Brees insisted the players have no interest in a forced respite, and he attempted to put the blame for any future loss squarely on the owners.

"I think the big thing to communicate here is there is a big difference between a lockout and a strike," Brees said. "You know, there were strikes back in '74, '82, '87, where the players actually went on strike and said Ôwe need better benefits and therefore we're not going to play until we get that.' This is not a strike. This is a lockout. This is Ñ we as players want to play, we want to come to the locker room, we want to practice and go out on game day and play, but the doors are locked, we're not allowed to come in and play.

"Therefore football's being taken away from us, taken away from the fans Ñ none of that is what we want or desire. That's kind of the hard part right now is understanding that football might be taken away from us and the fans for a period of time, maybe a year, and we just have to prepare for that."

"We're hoping for the best and preparing for the worst," running back Reggie Bush said.

And that attitude could mean genuine problems for professional football.

"We're prepared, we're prepared to do whatever we need to do," Brees said. "We're preparing for a lockout, we're preparing to have to pay for our own medical insurance starting in March, we're preparing to not receive a paycheck here for the next year Ñ and just making sure that we're all taking care of one another."

And that dire situation might not be resolved quickly, he added.

"It could be a long one, yeah," Brees said. "If a deal's not done by March, the chances of a deal getting done by the season are slim. Therefore a lockout would be almost inevitable."

At the same time, Brees noted several times that the players are "reasonable businessmen," and that they understand what is at stake. If the owners can prove hardship, the players will make the necessary sacrifices. But absent such proof, Brees said, the players must stand firm, even while he acknowledged that, to the outsider, "this is a fight between billionaires and millionaires."

"What's happening here with this negotiation is that revenue is going up Ñ we get the revenue numbers every year," he continued. "And yet we're being asked to take, collectively, players around the league, a $1 billion pay cut. So something doesn't make sense there.

"But we as reasonable businessmen, and we've got a great partnership with the league, are just asking, Ôwe would like to see' Ñ if you tell us the system is broken, and that you're not making as much money, well, we know the revenue numbers, but we just don't know your cost. So that's something you need to show us. Show us that you're losing money, and we're all reasonable. We'll sit down and we'll come to a resolution. But we've gotten none of that information, none of that cost information has been shown to us."



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Re: NFL Labor Negotiations--a problem looming????
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 09:49:06 AM »
Oh wow, the poor guys have to put aside their paychecks for the last 3 games in order to make it. And they might have to pay for their own health insurance.

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Re: NFL Labor Negotiations--a problem looming????
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 09:56:36 AM »
Well, my Raiders #1 draft pick of 2007, JaMarcus Russell (aka "The Round Mound of Fourth Down"  D*0g) is the poster child for the need for a rookie pay scale.
With the money the owners save, some of it should be put aside for retired player pensions. We all hear about the big $$ paid to players that make it in the NFL, but there are thousands more that don't. Some with injuries that will plague them for the rest of their lives.

I think cooler heads will prevail and an agreement with be struck. These people are too smart to kill the golden goose (at least I hope they are).


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Re: NFL Labor Negotiations--a problem looming????
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 09:37:52 AM »
I found this on MSNBC.com--a little more in the way of details, but it's amazing considering the information here that this isn't a bigger story in Sports, nationwide.  WDSU is our local NBC affiliate TV station. 

Former Saint Warns Of Dire NFL Lockout Consequences
Fujita Calls Owner Of Dallas Cowboys 'Irresponsible'


POSTED: 5:51 pm CST January 14, 2011

NEW ORLEANS -- Former Saints linebacker Scott Fujita, who is now a member of the Cleveland Browns, is among the more outspoken players regarding efforts to negotiate a new union contract with the NFL.

On Friday, Fujita shared a letter with WDSU warning of dire consequences to a possible lockout later this year. The letter appears below, in its entirety.

We're approaching the end of the current league year in the NFL, and if a new Collective Bargaining Agreement isn't reached by midnight March 4, the players could be locked out. Translation: We can't even show up for work. The players have suggested having a "lock-in," where we would basically hunker down in a hotel somewhere for as long as needed and hammer out a new CBA before the clock strikes midnight. We have received no response from the league about this.

What all this means is that our families will lose their health coverage, injured players will no longer get treated by our doctors and trainers, and games could be cancelled. Do I expect anyone to feel sorry for us? Absolutely not. The real issue is what's at stake for everyone involved in the business of football and the undeniable impact that a lack of football will reap. Each NFL city is expected to lose about $150,000,000. Trust me, the city of Cleveland can't afford that. And as for the city of New Orleans, whose economy is so dependent on the service industry and visitors staying in their hotels and eating in their restaurants, it's just not fair to them. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones recently claimed a lockout wouldn't be all that devastating. For someone with his level of influence, that's one of the most irresponsible things I've heard yet. This is much bigger than some gripe the owners have with the players.

So what's the gripe? In a nutshell, the owners are demanding that the players play two more games each year AND take an 18% pay-cut. And when we ask why, they tell us it's none of our business. The players are willing to be reasonable about this, and if we knew the NFL had fallen on hard times and that sacrifices were a must, then that's a different story. But as we all know, the league is doing just fine. Revenues are as high as they've ever been and the fan-base is growing every year. This season, TV ratings for regular season NFL games blew the World Series out of the water. The NFL has negotiated TV deals that will pay them $4.5 billion in 2011... even if NO games are played. So when we ask them to explain how the "current economic model is broken," I think that's a pretty justifiable question.

And this season, when it comes to player safety, the NFL suddenly pretended to be the flag-bearers for our health and well-being. This comes after years of denying even the possibility of a link between the game of football, concussions, and long-term traumatic brain injury. And despite the raised level of awareness concerning our post-career health realities, they still want two more games and haven't even suggested any improvements in post-career care. Their hypocrisy infuriates me. Right now we get just five years of coverage after leaving this game. Five. And that's only if you're lucky enough to become vested. In the meantime, more and more of our brothers fall victim to ALS, dementia and depression, among other afflictions. My heart screams for these men. Add to that the hip and knee replacements that are sure to come up 10, 15, 20 years after we stop playing. And through the whole PR battle that's currently being waged, in what some are calling a battle of greed between "millionaires and billionaires," the players have asked for nothing. Ultimately, we just want to be taken care of after we leave this game. My message to the NFL: You say you care about us...Now please, prove it. For the sake of guys like Andre Waters, O.J. Brigance, Orlando Thomas, Earl Campbell and Mike Webster...prove it.

So what can you do? Visit NFLLockout.com to submit your petition to block this lockout and to find out how you can participate with "Let us Play Day" on Tuesday, January 28.

And if you're feeling really ambitious, a letter to your local Congressional leader could potentially go a long way. I know a lot of people would prefer that Washington just stay out of this; that it's none of their business. But when whole communities of people will be adversely affected by this lockout, my feeling is that they absolutely have an obligation to take an interest in what's at stake here.

Listen, I know there's a lot of posturing out there right now, and I recognize that this email could be viewed in the same light. But everyone in this email chain are friends and family, and as things start to get cloudy these next few months, I wanted you to hear the truth from me. And trust me, I "get" that this is just a game. But I've lived and worked in communities that I'm convinced can't afford to lose football. And there are people very dear to me whose current health and well-being may have been negatively influenced by this game. These are the issues I care about. These are the issues that light my fire.

Thanks for taking the time to read. I wish you all the best for the new year.

Scott

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Re: NFL Labor Negotiations--a problem looming????
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 01:31:58 PM »
I like the idea of a rookie pay scale. The NFL makes way too much money for there to be ANY problems with a fair pay scale.  I wish that teams wouldn't hire so many re-treads as coaches. And when I see a real life piece of sh## like matt millen getting millions after decimating the lions as a G.M. it makes me sick. Can you believe he received 5 million a year for his ''expertise''?   Isn't he an analyst with nbc?............figures.

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Re: NFL Labor Negotiations--a problem looming????
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 01:57:19 PM »
  I wish that teams wouldn't hire so many re-treads as coaches. And when I see a real life piece of sh## like matt millen getting millions after decimating the lions as a G.M. it makes me sick. Can you believe he received 5 million a year for his ''expertise''?   Isn't he an analyst with nbc?............figures.
NO Saints had the ultimate "retread" Mike Ditka. I always thought that it was the worst choice possible at that time--and blamed the owner who made his bucks in car dealerships.  It was sort of like an old Cadillac, worthless in reality, but the owner just saw a Cadillac.