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#15
by
Vash
on 17 May, 2010 06:04
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No disrespect intended in any of the following:
"God wants you to do X" is one of the oldest means of manipulation known to man. People have been and still are manipulated into doing just about anything from cleaning your room as a kid to committing genocides as an adult predicated on someone telling them that "God wants you too..."
From the Crusades to Manifest Destiny to "AIDS is bad, but condoms are worse" to "Send me a check for $100" to "God hates _____" to "Shave your head to honor your step-mom". All over the world, throughout history and still today. It's all varying degrees of the same emotional leverage. if someone says God says it's so, it must be right. And somebody, somewhere will believe that at face value.
A lot of people have done (and continue to do) a lot of stupid things because someone ELSE told them what God wanted them to do and they believed that person. But they were believing that person. Not what they beleive to be God.
Sincerity does not equal truth. Just cause somebody says it, even if they believe it, doesn't make it true.
Do whatever YOU think is right for you and call Becky out on her manipulation. She doesn't seem to have your best interest in mind, just her own desires to control your looks, but people can only get away with the behaviors we let them get away with.
Like I said. No disrespect intended.
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#16
by
Gambrinus
on 17 May, 2010 08:00
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I was thinking more along the lines of
Mathew 7:3-5
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
and Matthew 22:36-40
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
And as far as the other I would refer to John 1:1
Love You Guys
Hope this helps
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#17
by
usmcpelon
on 17 May, 2010 08:48
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About 5 or 6 years ago, while washing my truck with a friend who has always shaved his head a young guy appear out of nowhere and started preaching to us. He mentioned all these things that we were doing that were sins in the eyes of god. One of these things was my friend’s shaved head and my high & tight horseshoe flattop. At the time we thought nothing of it. But now that your guys mention it, it bring memories of that day.
The bible does mention shaved heads and long hair however I haven’t seen anything that prohibits a man from shaving his head. Read Corinthians below:
11:4 every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head.
11:5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.
11:6 for if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head.
11:7 the man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man.
11:8 for the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man.
11:9 for the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man.
11:10 therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels.
11:11 But yet neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the Lord.
11:12 for as the woman is of the man, so also is the man by the woman: but all things of God.
11:13 you yourselves judge: doth it become a woman, to pray unto God uncovered?
11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that a man indeed, if he nourish his hair, it is a shame unto him?
11:15 But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.
What do you guys thing?
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#18
by
PowerOfCheese
on 17 May, 2010 08:55
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That's just weird.
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#19
by
marshd1000
on 17 May, 2010 09:02
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Vash, I know you don't mean any disrespect. I do agree with much of what you said.
Usmcpelon, I also don't see where it is prohibited for a man to shave his head. If Becky ever mentions this again, a friend suggested that I say this, "So who nominated you to become my personal Holy Spirit?"
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#20
by
usmcpelon
on 17 May, 2010 09:24
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I certainly did mean to offend anyone, just thought I share what happen and the result of the reseach into the subject.
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#21
by
The Noggin
on 17 May, 2010 10:15
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I agree with Vash.
Everything starting with "God told me ..." sounds suspicious to me.
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#22
by
ChallengeMe
on 17 May, 2010 11:23
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I agree with Vash.
Everything starting with "God told me ..." sounds suspicious to me.
She never claimed the God told her. Her quote was
"she felt "God" was wanting me to grow my hair back to honor my stepmother"
No one here was claiming divine interpretation.
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#23
by
BillOnBass
on 17 May, 2010 11:25
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I agree with Vash.
Everything starting with "God told me ..." sounds suspicious to me.
I think they have pills for that.
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#24
by
Gambrinus
on 17 May, 2010 12:47
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I found this in my ESV Study Bible and thought it might enlighten some of the verses in 1 Corinthians
1 Cor. 11:4 head covered. The Greek phrase (kata kephalēs) literally means “down from the head” and may refer either to long hair that hangs loose (vv. 14–15), or to a veil that covers the face, or to a piece of cloth pulled over the head (like a modern shawl or scarf) that leaves the face revealed. As background for understanding Paul's point in this verse, Roman men sometimes practiced the custom of pulling the loose folds of their toga over their head as an act of piety in the worship of pagan gods. Paul thus draws on the example of this pagan custom (which everyone in the Corinthian church would have thought absurd) to make the point that men should not dishonor Christ by praying according to pagan custom (8:4). He then uses the idea to prepare the way for his argument that it is equally absurd for wives to pray or prophesy in public with their heads uncovered (11:5, 11).
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#25
by
marshd1000
on 18 May, 2010 19:32
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WOW.....guys....I appreciate all of the feedback!!!! Anyway, I have 3 dear sly Christian friends that I have also talked to. They pretty much agree with you all. And not because they are sly. They believe that the issue is NOT the bald head. They all agreed that it is an excuse to manipulate, that Becky has her own agenda. Becky basically used my stepmom's illness and dislike of the shaved head to further her own controlling agenda. Since Becky and I don't attend the same church anymore, I don't see her as much. But I have decided to confront her on her manipulation. I am not going to be mean spirited about it. But too many times, in the past, I have let people run over me because I thought I was supposed to be "nice". But I do see that there is a time and place to be nice and try to not hurt someone. But since I consider her a friend, I do believe that friends need to be truthful. Sometimes, the truth hurts. Also I told my stepmom what was going on. And even though I know she would like me to grow my hair out, she was on my side on this one! When I do finally talk to Becky about this, I will let you all know what happens!
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#26
by
Dome of Steele
on 18 May, 2010 23:05
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I agree with Gallagher and Razor X.
Also I looked up honor in the dictionary.
Dictionary.com
-noun
the state of being honored.
–verb (used with object)
to hold in honor or high respect; revere: to honor one's parents.
To me, this just means to treat your mother with respect. It doesn't mean to conform to every petty wish of your parents.
Maybe you should share this dictionary reference with Becky. And tell her she's not being a good friend.
To me this is a perfect example of misconstruing holy scripture to carry out one's one wishes.
You love your sly head, and it looks great on you Marsh. Tell Beck to stop brewing up conflict and get short with her if necessary. You are the captain of this ship (your dome).
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#27
by
Rusty Shackleford
on 20 May, 2010 15:23
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It sounds to me like your friend is a perfect example of why so many people hate religion and the idea of a god. When those people hear believers saying such ridiculous things is it just drives them away. It sounds to me like your bald noggin was on her mind for one reason or another and then something odd happened and she decided that was God telling her she needs to get you to grow your hair.
Like someone else wrote, God has more important things to worry about than your hair. It may be possible, but if it is then God should speak to you about it.
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#28
by
hammerdrill376
on 20 May, 2010 18:23
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I grew up in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches and heard alot of "words from the Lord for you" type messages. I don't discount all of them but alot of them were more a person manipulating in the name of the Lord.
Bottom line is God does not care if we are bald or not.
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#29
by
GASlick
on 20 May, 2010 19:21
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HERE! HERE! Hammerdrill!!