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What some are willing to go through to keep their hair by frank_m on 24 Jun, 2007 15:54
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Since I went sly on 6/4/07 and then finding this site, I opened my eyes up to hair loss.
I was somewhat familiar with the self-esteem issue that some guys go through when losing their hair.
But looking at what the costs are for the "System" (hair club) and what people go through on the surgical side, I was amazed. It's a multi-billion dollar industry and it simply plays to their insecurities.. All these process' use images of built guys with perfect features that are 'clients' and the 'ladies' are all over them with their new head of 'natural looking hair' when advertising / selling.
I know this is free enterprise, but I think potential customers should have to meet with somebody from 'our side' and get another perspective on the subject ( i know that will never happen, it's just a pipe dream )
I know this is probably old news to many on this forum that have either already done the research or have been down the road.
I'll bet there's plenty of former 'customers' out there that probably look back and wish they had back just a percentage of all the cash they've blown on covering it up.
you know the grass is always greener on the other side... when I was young, I wanted 'straight hair', now that I'm older I wish all my hair would just disappear... and I'm sure there's plenty of guys with MPB that would love to trade places with me as I have my full head of hair.
As the Rolling Stones say, "you can't always get what you want"
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#1 by Itsonlyinmyhead on 24 Jun, 2007 16:09
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The thing Ive been wondering is. If you get a hairpiece then you go on a few dates with a special lady/gentleman and you get closer and then you eventually end up sleeping together, then what happens if she pulls it off?
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#2 by Darrell on 24 Jun, 2007 17:00
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The thing Ive been wondering is. If you get a hairpiece then you go on a few dates with a special lady/gentleman and you get closer and then you eventually end up sleeping together, then what happens if she pulls it off?
If it is a relationship that has the potential of really going somewhere, I think he or she would say, "Why didn't you just tell me?" If I wore a hairpiece or had transplanted hair, it's something I would want the other person to know right up front.
The hair replacement industry wants people to be insecure about loosing their hair. In fact, if you are not insecure about it, they want to make you feel insecure - you'll look better, feel more confident, attract women, get that promotion. Nonsense! I think just the opposite is true. If you're loosing it and shave the rest off, or if your BBC, it says, "I've got more important things to do than mess around with how my hair looks."
Darrell
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#3 by YOSP on 24 Jun, 2007 17:06
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Since I went sly on 6/4/07 and then finding this site, I opened my eyes up to hair loss.
I was somewhat familiar with the self-esteem issue that some guys go through when losing their hair.
But looking at what the costs are for the "System" (hair club) and what people go through on the surgical side, I was amazed. It's a multi-billion dollar industry and it simply plays to their insecurities.. All these process' use images of built guys with perfect features that are 'clients' and the 'ladies' are all over them with their new head of 'natural looking hair' when advertising / selling.
I know this is free enterprise, but I think potential customers should have to meet with somebody from 'our side' and get another perspective on the subject ( i know that will never happen, it's just a pipe dream )
I know this is probably old news to many on this forum that have either already done the research or have been down the road.
I'll bet there's plenty of former 'customers' out there that probably look back and wish they had back just a percentage of all the cash they've blown on covering it up.
you know the grass is always greener on the other side... when I was young, I wanted 'straight hair', now that I'm older I wish all my hair would just disappear... and I'm sure there's plenty of guys with MPB that would love to trade places with me as I have my full head of hair.
As the Rolling Stones say, "you can't always get what you want"
enough of my rant.
I was a member of HCM for 7yrs, and to be a honest with you, my hair looked fine. Nobody prayed on my insecurity, I did it to myself. I did spend a lot of $$$ and it wasn't an issue to me because I had the $$$ to spend. Could I have used it on something else?Absolutely, but I am glad I did have the experience and everything that went along with it. Do I love my look now, 100%. I have grown up and matured and confidence has been built, and I love being "SLY", WOULD NEVER GO BACK. It was only about 3 months now, until I realized that "hair doesn't make the man". I did get plenty of women and I am built, but this didn't just happen after I put a "system" on. I am not defending the industry, but I hate ignorance....
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#4 by frank_m on 24 Jun, 2007 18:59
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Since I went sly on 6/4/07 and then finding this site, I opened my eyes up to hair loss.
I was somewhat familiar with the self-esteem issue that some guys go through when losing their hair.
But looking at what the costs are for the "System" (hair club) and what people go through on the surgical side, I was amazed. It's a multi-billion dollar industry and it simply plays to their insecurities.. All these process' use images of built guys with perfect features that are 'clients' and the 'ladies' are all over them with their new head of 'natural looking hair' when advertising / selling.
I know this is free enterprise, but I think potential customers should have to meet with somebody from 'our side' and get another perspective on the subject ( i know that will never happen, it's just a pipe dream )
I know this is probably old news to many on this forum that have either already done the research or have been down the road.
I'll bet there's plenty of former 'customers' out there that probably look back and wish they had back just a percentage of all the cash they've blown on covering it up.
you know the grass is always greener on the other side... when I was young, I wanted 'straight hair', now that I'm older I wish all my hair would just disappear... and I'm sure there's plenty of guys with MPB that would love to trade places with me as I have my full head of hair.
As the Rolling Stones say, "you can't always get what you want"
enough of my rant.
I was a member of HCM for 7yrs, and to be a honest with you, my hair looked fine. Nobody prayed on my insecurity, I did it to myself. I did spend a lot of $$$ and it wasn't an issue to me because I had the $$$ to spend. Could I have used it on something else?Absolutely, but I am glad I did have the experience and everything that went along with it. Do I love my look now, 100%. I have grown up and matured and confidence has been built, and I love being "SLY", WOULD NEVER GO BACK. It was only about 3 months now, until I realized that "hair doesn't make the man". I did get plenty of women and I am built, but this didn't just happen after I put a "system" on. I am not defending the industry, but I hate ignorance....
you sound confused and jealous...why bring up the point if it is not an issue for you?
I'm neither confused, jealous and I certainly don't think I'm ignorant either:
I got some junk mail, and I usually delete it, but I was curious so I was looking around.
I was amazed at the prices, and all the advertisements talk about how you will boost your confidence and so on, the photos are all built models, earlier today I read a post on this site, and there was a link for www.hairclubsucks.com so I took a look at that too, on that site I read about the 'closing technique' that is used to get customers to sign up on the spot or pay twice as much the next visit, and all the fine print on how to get out of the contract.
then I followed a link and it was a forum and former employees of the 'club' talked about how it's all about numbers and tactics to keep customers coming back
I know all industries use models, and that will not change.
I'm happy you had a great experience with the club, that's great, and I'm sure they became a large corporation by putting out a good product and making the customer happy, I remember Sy Sperling
I also found photos today that were disturbing regarding transplant procedures, 3 or more transplant surgeries, and going back for more.. people asking each other on the forum about down payments, traveling to other countries for the transplant, prepaying in full before your appointment, huge scars around their heads for 'donations'
Those are my issues.
This photo is an example of what I'm talking about
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#5 by shyslyguy on 25 Jun, 2007 03:27
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The thing Ive been wondering is. If you get a hairpiece then you go on a few dates with a special lady/gentleman and you get closer and then you eventually end up sleeping together, then what happens if she pulls it off?
If it is a relationship that has the potential of really going somewhere, I think he or she would say, "Why didn't you just tell me?" If I wore a hairpiece or had transplanted hair, it's something I would want the other person to know right up front.
The hair replacement industry wants people to be insecure about loosing their hair. In fact, if you are not insecure about it, they want to make you feel insecure - you'll look better, feel more confident, attract women, get that promotion. Nonsense! I think just the opposite is true. If you're loosing it and shave the rest off, or if your BBC, it says, "I've got more important things to do than mess around with how my hair looks."
Darrell
I've wondered about that too & in fact it was issues like that which made me quickly realise that it wasn't an option as far as I was concerned.
I would think that if you are feeling insecure about hair loss the last thing you want to do is have to discuss it with any potential partners. If you have to tell all these people "by the way, I think you should know that I wear a hairpiece" that surely defeats the whole point of having the "hair" in the first place but if you don't tell them & as time goes on you become close then the whole issue must become like some huge skeleton in your closet & you know that your partner will feel hurt that you didn't trust them enough to tell them earlier ... as I see it it was always a no win situation!
Having said that ... each to their own of course & if it suits you then fine ...
I do have a little bit of experience in this myself as when I first started losing my hair I had a period of using one of those "concealers" that makes your hair look thicker. At first it worked really well but of course, as time went on & as I lost more hair it became less effective & for a short while (before ditching it) I had a period when I was really unhappy as I was always paranoid about whether people could notice or not ... I can tell you ... that experience was enough to teach me that as far as hair loss goes ... honesty is usually the best policy however hard that may seem at the time! -
#6 by Sooner Steve on 25 Jun, 2007 13:19
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This is really a good discussion. It raises the pros and the cons of hair systems. I think the decision to use a "system" of any sort is as individual as the decision to go SLY. To each his own.
I wore a "system" for 23 years. For the first 10 years, (in my 20's), I loved it. It blended well with my natural hair but I still had enough base hair to pull off the deception. The hairpiece was pretty difficult to spot. Then my natural MPB begin to take even greater effect and it became increasingly difficult to look natural - worry about the wind, who was sitting behind you, no swimming, etc.
Hair systems work for a lot of people. Going sly works for a lot of people. I can't say which way is the correct answer. All I can say is that, for those of us that have gone sly, we always say it's just hair and if it makes you feel good to be sly don't worry about anyone else's opinion. I think the same thing can be said for hair system users.
I do find it humorous when they show those infomercials, those guys talking about losing hair sure seem to have a nice head of hair in the "before" pictures.
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#7 by frank_m on 25 Jun, 2007 13:24
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I hear you there..
I guess what I found shocking about all of this was the 'sugical' options and what these guys put them selves through, and the results are not guaranteed, and some of these guys are going back for the third or more time.
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#8 by Itsonlyinmyhead on 25 Jun, 2007 18:02
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I do have a little bit of experience in this myself as when I first started losing my hair I had a period of using one of those "concealers" that makes your hair look thicker. At first it worked really well but of course, as time went on & as I lost more hair it became less effective & for a short while (before ditching it) I had a period when I was really unhappy as I was always paranoid about whether people could notice or not ... I can tell you ... that experience was enough to teach me that as far as hair loss goes ... honesty is usually the best policy however hard that may seem at the time!
Are the concealers like spray paint or are they those things that you sprinkle on your hair? Im just abit curious-as usual. Did it actually look real? or did it make your head look black and your actual hair just the same?
By the time I need to use concealers I will have it all shaved of. I suppose it because its now acceptable/fashionable to do it whereas 10 years ago and more it was seen as something you only did if you were a convict/skinhead nazi/drug dealer. -
#9 by Tyler on 25 Jun, 2007 18:08
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I do have a little bit of experience in this myself as when I first started losing my hair I had a period of using one of those "concealers" that makes your hair look thicker. At first it worked really well but of course, as time went on & as I lost more hair it became less effective & for a short while (before ditching it) I had a period when I was really unhappy as I was always paranoid about whether people could notice or not ... I can tell you ... that experience was enough to teach me that as far as hair loss goes ... honesty is usually the best policy however hard that may seem at the time!
Are the concealers like spray paint or are they those things that you sprinkle on your hair? Im just abit curious-as usual. Did it actually look real? or did it make your head look black and your actual hair just the same?
By the time I need to use concealers I will have it all shaved of. I suppose it because its now acceptable/fashionable to do it whereas 10 years ago and more it was seen as something you only did if you were a convict/skinhead nazi/drug dealer.
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#10 by BALDANDRE on 26 Jun, 2007 09:21
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Seeing things like that makes me feel real sad...actually puts a sick feel in my stomach...man, the torture dudes think they have to go through...and now he's got a scared head and probably lost his ability to eventually go sly...sad for so many reasons!
Man!
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#11 by shyslyguy on 01 Jul, 2007 05:29
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Are the concealers like spray paint or are they those things that you sprinkle on your hair? Im just abit curious-as usual. Did it actually look real? or did it make your head look black and your actual hair just the same?
By the time I need to use concealers I will have it all shaved of. I suppose it because its now acceptable/fashionable to do it whereas 10 years ago and more it was seen as something you only did if you were a convict/skinhead nazi/drug dealer.
http://www.maneuk.com/getHomePage.do?redirected=y
There you go .... I just googled it to see if it was still in existence - seems it is. It was years ago that I used it (obviously) & I had a lot more hair then (obviously) but it actually worked ok as long as you didn't mind washing your hair every other day & re-applying the foul stuff then "fixing" it with a generous dashing of hair spray (makes me feel queezy just thinking about it actually!)_ but the more hair you have the more effective it is (obviously). I used it for a while but came to hate it with a passion so I'd advice you to stear well clear of it .... you really don't want to go there!
In my defence it was the mid 1980's & BIG hair was in then!
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#12 by Itsonlyinmyhead on 02 Jul, 2007 08:17
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Ok I understand how it works now. Basically coats the hair.Quote
In my defence it was the mid 1980's & BIG hair was in then!
Thankfully its the 00s now!!! and sly seems to be in -
#13 by Sooner Steve on 02 Jul, 2007 09:22
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Thankfully its the 00s now!!! and sly seems to be in
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#14 by BigJimW on 12 Jul, 2007 16:02
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