Getting it off my chest

[Timmay]

Living vicariously thru others? What does this mean?  What I feel it means is you sitting around with your thumb up your ass, watching everyone else have all the fun.  I dont want to be that person who lives vicariously thru his friends.  I want to be that friend standing next to that friend while he is having the fun.  Living life on the sidelines just isnt me.  I want to get out there meet new people, do things, take risks- basically live life.  The thing is too many people dont do something they just sit there and watch because they have decided taht they cant do something.  My dad always told me " Cant never did anything".  I guess what people feel is that they are too old to something they feel is "crazy, silly, or stupid".  You are never too old to have fun and life is too damn short not to try and enjoy every last minute of it.  Just because I am married and have kids doesnt mean I cant go out and have fun, but I know what my limitations are and what is acceptable.  I dont want to be that old prude who sits there.  I believe I handled myself fairly well this past weekend.  Married life has its ups and downs just like the single life.  So together as "Brothers" we will support each other. 

[Timmay]

I  I met my wife and we got married very young.  Some people even say to young.  I was 21 and she was 20 when we got married. 

I think that is soo cool because alot of you probably do not know this.  But GASlick and I both got married to beautiful women on the same day...same year.  August 22, 1993.  I will be celebrating my 16 wedding anniversary in a few weeks.  Another thing that happend on our wedding day , it was the day that Hurricane Andrew came to visit the States that afternoon.  We were at our wedding reception keeping up with the news because our honeymoon was to be spent in Mrytle Beach and at that point no one knew where it was going.
So while I am at it...and I know it is early..but Happy Anniversary Mr and Mrs GASlick....

[Tanizaki]

I really am open to listening to ANYTHING anybody wants to say on the topic and I genuinely appreciate advice of any kind. So don't hold back  .

The OP was pretty emo but here are my two cents.

You said that you want someone who will look past the mohawk and kilts and holes that you drilled in your face, but the fact is that women, especially those at and beyond your age of the mid-30s, want providers. Image is all the rest of the world has to make its first impression of you, and except for your subculture, yours says "do not touch". Maybe it's not fair, but it's a fact. Being well-groomed and getting physically fit will do wonders in this regard.

I may have missed it in the OP, but I didn't see that you mentioned what you do for a living. I don't suppose you're in upper management?

(you said not to hold back)

[Northernlion]

T, this is off-topic but any chance you have studied PUA?

Just read a few of your posts and I definitely got that vibe

[MagmaBabe]

I really am open to listening to ANYTHING anybody wants to say on the topic and I genuinely appreciate advice of any kind. So don't hold back  .

The OP was pretty emo but here are my two cents.

You said that you want someone who will look past the mohawk and kilts and holes that you drilled in your face, but the fact is that women, especially those at and beyond your age of the mid-30s, want providers. Image is all the rest of the world has to make its first impression of you, and except for your subculture, yours says "do not touch". Maybe it's not fair, but it's a fact. Being well-groomed and getting physically fit will do wonders in this regard.

I may have missed it in the OP, but I didn't see that you mentioned what you do for a living. I don't suppose you're in upper management?

(you said not to hold back)

(you said not to hold back) so I'm not gonna either..!!

just my 'two cent's worth' but not all women are shallow enough to think like that. Some of us actually want what he wants! Contrary to popular belief, we aint all goldiggers. fact!! you're obviously generalising about certain kinds of groups of females. It doesn't account for all of the female population. If I wanted to, I could stereotype most of the guys on here and call 'em big lardy arsed americans..(because that is what the world would have us believe)  but I know they're not!!  I don't give a crap what you've studied, you can take your studies and shove 'em where the sun don't shine! I've seen enough people that dress/ have body piercings like Vash has..and there are couples like it too!!! Imagine that!!!  believe it or not, there are thousands of people out there like it! Wow!! Kudo's to Vash to actually being different from most of the other lemmings out there.
Whether you wear a suit and tie to work everyday,  doesn't mean a thing when it comes to matters of the heart.

[Tanizaki]

I really am open to listening to ANYTHING anybody wants to say on the topic and I genuinely appreciate advice of any kind. So don't hold back  .

The OP was pretty emo but here are my two cents.

You said that you want someone who will look past the mohawk and kilts and holes that you drilled in your face, but the fact is that women, especially those at and beyond your age of the mid-30s, want providers. Image is all the rest of the world has to make its first impression of you, and except for your subculture, yours says "do not touch". Maybe it's not fair, but it's a fact. Being well-groomed and getting physically fit will do wonders in this regard.

I may have missed it in the OP, but I didn't see that you mentioned what you do for a living. I don't suppose you're in upper management?

(you said not to hold back)

(you said not to hold back) so I'm not gonna either..!!

just my 'two cent's worth' but not all women are shallow enough to think like that. Some of us actually want what he wants! Contrary to popular belief, we aint all goldiggers. fact!! you're obviously generalising about certain kinds of groups of females. It doesn't account for all of the female population. If I wanted to, I could stereotype most of the guys on here and call 'em big lardy arsed americans..(because that is what the world would have us believe)  but I know they're not!!  I don't give a crap what you've studied, you can take your studies and shove 'em where the sun don't shine! I've seen enough people that dress/ have body piercings like Vash has..and there are couples like it too!!! Imagine that!!!  believe it or not, there are thousands of people out there like it! Wow!! Kudo's to Vash to actually being different from most of the other lemmings out there.
Whether you wear a suit and tie to work everyday,  doesn't mean a thing when it comes to matters of the heart.

It has nothing to do with being shallow or gold diggers. It's simply evolution. Hominid pregnancy and childrearing are very long, so females seek stability, security, and generosity in the male mate. Matters of "the heart" are fine and dandy for the movies, but reality paints a different picture. You can't pay the mortgage with love, which is why the leading cause of divorce in the US is consistently not a "matter of the heart" such as infidelity or "I'm not in love anymore" but money.

Vash can be different if he wants to. It's his right. However, when he adopts fashion and lifestyle that manifests his rejection of the mainstream, it is irrational for him to feel hurt or offended when the mainstream rejects him.

Next time, please use more logic and less exclamation points.

[Tanizaki]

T, this is off-topic but any chance you have studied PUA?

Just read a few of your posts and I definitely got that vibe

No. In fact, I had to google "PUA" to answer your post. 

[Northernlion]

Next time, please use more logic and less exclamation points.

Yo, this isn't a court case where you're trying to make the other side look stupid. This is meant to be a supportive place and it's fine to disagree (I agree with you on this issue, really) but being as malicious as you were here is just a dick move. I hope you're satisfied with the size of your internet penis.

[Paul]

I really am open to listening to ANYTHING anybody wants to say on the topic and I genuinely appreciate advice of any kind. So don't hold back  .

The OP was pretty emo but here are my two cents.

You said that you want someone who will look past the mohawk and kilts and holes that you drilled in your face, but the fact is that women, especially those at and beyond your age of the mid-30s, want providers. Image is all the rest of the world has to make its first impression of you, and except for your subculture, yours says "do not touch". Maybe it's not fair, but it's a fact. Being well-groomed and getting physically fit will do wonders in this regard.

I may have missed it in the OP, but I didn't see that you mentioned what you do for a living. I don't suppose you're in upper management?

(you said not to hold back)

(you said not to hold back) so I'm not gonna either..!!

just my 'two cent's worth' but not all women are shallow enough to think like that. Some of us actually want what he wants! Contrary to popular belief, we aint all goldiggers. fact!! you're obviously generalising about certain kinds of groups of females. It doesn't account for all of the female population. If I wanted to, I could stereotype most of the guys on here and call 'em big lardy arsed americans..(because that is what the world would have us believe)  but I know they're not!!  I don't give a crap what you've studied, you can take your studies and shove 'em where the sun don't shine! I've seen enough people that dress/ have body piercings like Vash has..and there are couples like it too!!! Imagine that!!!  believe it or not, there are thousands of people out there like it! Wow!! Kudo's to Vash to actually being different from most of the other lemmings out there.
Whether you wear a suit and tie to work everyday,  doesn't mean a thing when it comes to matters of the heart.

It has nothing to do with being shallow or gold diggers. It's simply evolution. Hominid pregnancy and childrearing are very long, so females seek stability, security, and generosity in the male mate. Matters of "the heart" are fine and dandy for the movies, but reality paints a different picture. You can't pay the mortgage with love, which is why the leading cause of divorce in the US is consistently not a "matter of the heart" such as infidelity or "I'm not in love anymore" but money.

Vash can be different if he wants to. It's his right. However, when he adopts fashion and lifestyle that manifests his rejection of the mainstream, it is irrational for him to feel hurt or offended when the mainstream rejects him.

Next time, please use more logic and less exclamation points.

Ok, first off, unless you have double X chromosomes, how can you claim to speak for the female of the species and what they seek.  Perhaps that explains your personal statement of "Upper Crust"  A title I can only believe is based on a feeling of superiority.   Secondly, the whole idea of the sly lifestyle is to support people who are willing to step out of their normal comfort zone and exude confidence through making what are sometimes difficult choices.   To slam someone as irrational when he feels offended just for being himself is as ridiculous as saying someone shouldn't be offended when they are subject to a sexist, racial, or ethnic joke.  Vash, continue to hang in there and seek for someone who is openminded enough to accept you for you and not some society stereotype of what you SHOULD be

[MagmaBabe]

I really am open to listening to ANYTHING anybody wants to say on the topic and I genuinely appreciate advice of any kind. So don't hold back  .

The OP was pretty emo but here are my two cents.

You said that you want someone who will look past the mohawk and kilts and holes that you drilled in your face, but the fact is that women, especially those at and beyond your age of the mid-30s, want providers. Image is all the rest of the world has to make its first impression of you, and except for your subculture, yours says "do not touch". Maybe it's not fair, but it's a fact. Being well-groomed and getting physically fit will do wonders in this regard.

I may have missed it in the OP, but I didn't see that you mentioned what you do for a living. I don't suppose you're in upper management?

(you said not to hold back)

(you said not to hold back) so I'm not gonna either..!!

just my 'two cent's worth' but not all women are shallow enough to think like that. Some of us actually want what he wants! Contrary to popular belief, we aint all goldiggers. fact!! you're obviously generalising about certain kinds of groups of females. It doesn't account for all of the female population. If I wanted to, I could stereotype most of the guys on here and call 'em big lardy arsed americans..(because that is what the world would have us believe)  but I know they're not!!  I don't give a crap what you've studied, you can take your studies and shove 'em where the sun don't shine! I've seen enough people that dress/ have body piercings like Vash has..and there are couples like it too!!! Imagine that!!!  believe it or not, there are thousands of people out there like it! Wow!! Kudo's to Vash to actually being different from most of the other lemmings out there.
Whether you wear a suit and tie to work everyday,  doesn't mean a thing when it comes to matters of the heart.

It has nothing to do with being shallow or gold diggers. It's simply evolution. Hominid pregnancy and childrearing are very long, so females seek stability, security, and generosity in the male mate. Matters of "the heart" are fine and dandy for the movies, but reality paints a different picture. You can't pay the mortgage with love, which is why the leading cause of divorce in the US is consistently not a "matter of the heart" such as infidelity or "I'm not in love anymore" but money.

Vash can be different if he wants to. It's his right. However, when he adopts fashion and lifestyle that manifests his rejection of the mainstream, it is irrational for him to feel hurt or offended when the mainstream rejects him.

Next time, please use more logic and less exclamation points.

firstly... I'll use as many exclamation 'marks' as I like. Didn't realise you were an English professor. I'm getting the feeling that you have some kind of superiority thing going on... well... here's another exclamation mark, and you can stick that in any orifice of yours that is available... probably an earhole/nostril as your other uhm.. exit/entry points are already in use.. it's obvious to me that you like chattin' sh*t.
Evolution... oh yeah... like the monkey thing!! We all came from fish.. birds popped up somewhere.. and somehow we turned into monkeys.. then humans... yeah,  makes total sense!

Hunny... I know about pregnancy... puhleeeease!! in fact,  that is something that I've got on you cos I've got three kids of my own..and I didn't pop down to my local walmart and grab 'em off a shelf!  how the hell you'd have a clue about it I have no idea!! Been there, done that I guess!

So people will only love you for what you have?? That's pretty much what you're saying...well I say bullshit!! it's that way of thinking that's what's wrong with the world. Greed!
Maybe the leading cause of divorce in the US is money..... but the leading cause of marriage is LOVE!! And more people stay married than get divorced... there's ya logic right there!

And please... next time, try to use less quotation marks.

[Tanizaki]

Ok, first off, unless you have double X chromosomes, how can you claim to speak for the female of the species and what they seek.  Perhaps that explains your personal statement of "Upper Crust"  A title I can only believe is based on a feeling of superiority.

Does an ichthyologist need to be a trout? I didn't claim to speak for anyone. I was simply stating biological fact. Female humans only get a few hundred eggs, and pregnancy and child-rearing years are very long. This is why humans are socially monogamous. (please note that socially monogamy, in biology, is not the same thing as sexual monogamy or genetic monogamy)

Secondly, the whole idea of the sly lifestyle is to support people who are willing to step out of their normal comfort zone and exude confidence through making what are sometimes difficult choices.   To slam someone as irrational when he feels offended just for being himself is as ridiculous as saying someone shouldn't be offended when they are subject to a sexist, racial, or ethnic joke.  Vash, continue to hang in there and seek for someone who is openminded enough to accept you for you and not some society stereotype of what you SHOULD be. 

I am not slamming anyone. Vash obviously sees that his situation is not 100% awesome, or else he would not have started the thread. I am simply giving my advice as to how he might improve his situation. That having been said, I don't consider my choice of hairstyle as a lifestyle.

Your analogy is false. A person does not choose his sex, race, or ethnicity, and one's sex, race, or ethnicity is not a manifestation of a rejection of the mainstream. If you adopt a way of life that is a manifestation of a rejection of the mainstream "lemmings", you have no business being offended when the lemmings want little to do with you. The isolation is self-imposed.

EDIT: I need for someone to explain to me why all the threads saying, "You will look more attractive to others with a shaved head instead of that horseshoe/combover" are fine but it is wrong to say, "You will look more attractive to others if you drop the facial piercings".

[Tanizaki]

firstly... I'll use as many exclamation 'marks' as I like. Didn't realise you were an English professor. I'm getting the feeling that you have some kind of superiority thing going on... well... here's another exclamation mark, and you can stick that in any orifice of yours that is available... probably an earhole/nostril as your other uhm.. exit/entry points are already in use.. it's obvious to me that you like chattin' sh*t.
Evolution... oh yeah... like the monkey thing!! We all came from fish.. birds popped up somewhere.. and somehow we turned into monkeys.. then humans... yeah,  makes total sense!

Evolution is a fact.

[Paul]

No one can state what another person feels unless they are in that persons body, be they fish or humanoid.  To claim otherwise is ludicrous.   Let's just support each other through positive and meaningful exchanges.

[Tanizaki]

No one can state what another person feels unless they are in that persons body, be they fish or humanoid.  To claim otherwise is ludicrous.   Let's just support each other through positive and meaningful exchanges.

I didn't claim telepathy. Vash said his feelings in the OP. I thought my advice was constructive. Maybe it's good, maybe it stinks, but he said he was willing to read "ANYTHING". I haven't insulted him, but simply gave my observations about a possible source to his situation and a way to remedy it.

[MagmaBabe]

firstly... I'll use as many exclamation 'marks' as I like. Didn't realise you were an English professor. I'm getting the feeling that you have some kind of superiority thing going on... well... here's another exclamation mark, and you can stick that in any orifice of yours that is available... probably an earhole/nostril as your other uhm.. exit/entry points are already in use.. it's obvious to me that you like chattin' sh*t.
Evolution... oh yeah... like the monkey thing!! We all came from fish.. birds popped up somewhere.. and somehow we turned into monkeys.. then humans... yeah,  makes total sense!

Evolution is a fact.

yeah, on paper, I'm sure it is. That's the great thing about theory.