OK bob i hope you know that you got me hooked on all these different types of DE razors and got my watch list on about half a dozen fatboys and i won a Gillette tech. i won it for 2.50 plus 3 dollars for shipping. could have bid on 1 today but i thought it was a little rough looking. i cant believe how they wait until the last seconds to bid and dont know how i got it as that was my first watch bid.i bid twice in the last 60 seconds. OK done spending money today .