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#45 by BALDANDRE on 19 Oct, 2008 13:58
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But taxing the rich is not going to make salaries for anyone go up. Quite the opposite.
Once again...true...
but the deal is with all our expenses as a nation we WILL be taxed...we will and somewhere they'll go up..fact we must face..no matter WHO is in office....
so if the majority of Americans make WAY under what is "considered rich" (and it's really not rich)..at this point in time I would say let a bit more of the tax burden go to the ones that have WAY more than I or more than average have..
maybe I'll be "the rich"..but at this rate it will be a while..when it happens...
then I'll bitch about it...maybe!
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#46 by SLYinKC on 19 Oct, 2008 14:14
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Once again...true...
but the deal is with all our expenses as a nation we WILL be taxed...we will and somewhere they'll go up..fact we must face..no matter WHO is in office....
Actually, if you will look at just the recent history, every time that tax rates have been cut, it has spurred economic growth and resulted in a growth of tax revenues. This has happened during the 80's and during the past administration. The problem is the Congress' spending habits have outpaced the growth in tax revenues. What we really need to control is our spending. -
#47 by BALDANDRE on 19 Oct, 2008 14:19
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I can remember back in the 80s my dad used to get at least a 10% raise every year. Nowadays we are lucky if we get 2 or 3% a year. The justification for the lower raises has always been that inflation was much higher in the 80s, but in the past year alone the cost of nearly everything has skyrocketed but we're still getting the same measly raises. It's definitely harder to get your salary higher these days. I haven't looked for a job in a long time, but a friend of mine who was looking last year came across several that had more responsibility than his current job, but the pay was also significantly lower.
Your pay is directly related to your willingness to have an increase in salary. If your boss doesn't give you a raise, you either didn't do enough to convince him/her that you're worth it or they can't financially afford it. Either way, if you really need that raise, you should find a company that is willing to pay you the money that you want. If you don't, then you have traded that increase in raise for something you feel is more important.
True...to a point...
In your area of Cali, that may be the case now and for a long while..
or may not be (for most) at some point..
what's happening though...(for the majority, remember we're talkin HUGE country) is there are so many very skilled people out in the work force willing to take less in pay to do more in lower level jobs..
yes survival of the fittest...but once again that widens the gap between rich and "middle class"...and lord knows where the "poor" even falls..if anywhere...
I'm NOT a "dooms- dayer" dude...
but there are only so many 100k+ jobs out there (compared to how many are in the work force)...
So yes...some can , will and get more...
but that is a few and of course the strongest (which more power to them and you)..
but for a "healthy country" that's NOT what we're talkin' about..
unfortunatly!
My own story....
too many talented artist coming out of art school willing to make under 1/2 of what I made...and they are more eager and willing...and they are first time employed artists...so what seems like a good salary was robbery...and even after YEARS of raises they wouldn't get close to my salary...
now why would they pay me twice as much...and get 1/2 the work that the 2 new folks could do?
THAT is what is and will be the reality...for most..
I was just smart enough to bail on my terms and when things were cool.....the had major, major slash and burn right after I left...and VERY talented artist at that! -
#48 by Razor X on 19 Oct, 2008 14:25
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Your pay is directly related to your willingness to have an increase in salary. If your boss doesn't give you a raise, you either didn't do enough to convince him/her that you're worth it or they can't financially afford it. Either way, if you really need that raise, you should find a company that is willing to pay you the money that you want. If you don't, then you have traded that increase in raise for something you feel is more important.
The problem is that in large companies, raises are pretty much out of the hands of individual managers -- no matter how good your performance appraisal is, the amount of your raise is mandated at a corporate level. And that's pretty much the case with most large companies, in my experience.
To find a company that pays significantly more, I'd probably have to be wiling to relocate or do a lot of traveling, which I'm not willing to do at this point. So I guess you're right -- those are examples of trading the raise for other priorities.
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#49 by BALDANDRE on 19 Oct, 2008 14:31
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Actually, if you will look at just the recent history, every time that tax rates have been cut, it has spurred economic growth and resulted in a growth of tax revenues. This has happened during the 80's and during the past administration. The problem is the Congress' spending habits have outpaced the growth in tax revenues. What we really need to control is our spending.
The sad part about that is people spending the money and "making the growth"...didn't have the money to spend in the first place...
a LOT of people pay their bills with credit cards...a lot..and they don't pay off the balance every month..
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#50 by Razor X on 19 Oct, 2008 14:32
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what's happening though...(for the majority, remember we're talkin HUGE country) is there are so many very skilled people out in the work force willing to take less in pay to do more in lower level jobs..
That is absolutely true. What I think may turn things around eventually, though, is when the baby boomers start to retire -- assuming of course, that they can still afford to do so
. That's a lot of people that will be leaving the workforce and not as many people in the upcoming generations to replace them. That should hopefully open up some opportunities for the rest of us.
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#51 by Razor X on 19 Oct, 2008 14:33
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The sad part about that is people spending the money and "making the growth"...didn't have the money to spend in the first place...
a LOT of people pay their bills with credit cards...a lot..and they don't pay off the balance every month..
And that is why spending needs to be brought under control -- at the national level and at the individual level. -
#52 by BALDANDRE on 19 Oct, 2008 14:35
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what's happening though...(for the majority, remember we're talkin HUGE country) is there are so many very skilled people out in the work force willing to take less in pay to do more in lower level jobs..
That is absolutely true. What I think may turn things around eventually, though, is when the baby boomers start to retire -- assuming of course, that they can still afford to do so . That's a lot of people that will be leaving the workforce and not as many people in the upcoming generations to replace them. That should hopefully open up some opportunities for the rest of us.
Yea...well my dad is 68 ,retired and still working...
the coinage from SS is not enough, so yea think people will be able to fully retire in any near future..
were talkin' most now? -
#53 by BALDANDRE on 19 Oct, 2008 14:37
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The sad part about that is people spending the money and "making the growth"...didn't have the money to spend in the first place...
a LOT of people pay their bills with credit cards...a lot..and they don't pay off the balance every month..
And that is why spending needs to be brought under control -- at the national level and at the individual level.
Ha!
Ever you ever seen Cali ghetto rich?
Never gonna happen on either end my friend! -
#54 by Razor X on 19 Oct, 2008 14:45
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Never gonna happen on either end my friend!
At some point it has to. Bills have to be paid sooner or later, whether we want to face it or not. -
#55 by Razor X on 19 Oct, 2008 14:50
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Yea...well my dad is 68 ,retired and still working...
the coinage from SS is not enough, so yea think people will be able to fully retire in any near future..
were talkin' most now?
Yeah, my dad is 65 and still working. He plans to work for another couple of years. Right now he's doing OK because he's still getting a fulltime paycheck and pulling pensions from two previous jobs. But on the other hand, his stocks aren't worth sh*t right now, so who knows what's going to happen? -
#56 by Tyler on 19 Oct, 2008 21:15
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I think we can all agree that these times are tough and everyone is going to have an opinion on how to fix it. I urge everyone to write their congressmen to let them know how you feel and what you think they should do. I also urge people to vote, either way you plan to vote, just do it. This doesn't just go for the President either; make sure you vote in every election for every level of government. Having the right local and state governments can often help get your voice heard in the federal government.
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#57 by hammerdrill376 on 20 Oct, 2008 15:51
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No matter what side of the fence you're on...VOTE..! Alot of people fought and even gave their life for us to have that opportunity. Personally I believe if we don't vote we don't have a right to complain.