Wig and Hair Tonic Commericals as Anti-Bald Propaganda - page 1 -

• Wig and Hair Tonic Commericals as Anti-Bald Propaganda by timtak on 27 Sep, 2011 22:13
• Here in Japan there are a lot of adverts for wigs and weaves as well as various types of hair growth potions. They are on TV every day using some of the most famous Japanese celebrities. Sometimes they are on every few minutes. Many of them promote the idea that to be bald is depressing/unhealthy/ugly and that to be hairy is to be the opposite, healthy, vigorous, healthy and handsome.
  
  Sometimes there are adverts which show celebrities colsoling bald people, telling them that they need not be embarrassed (?!@#) and that there is a "solution".
  
  Is there any research on the way that such commercials affect viewers perceptions of bald people? E.g. Experimental procedure, show one group of people a TV programme with commericals non-related to baldness, and another a TV programme with commercials related to baldness and then ask subjects perceptions of a bald confederate such as "Is he happy, handsome, trustworthy." I am willing to bet that on average the commercials are likely to result in less favourable impressions towards bald people even among bald people themselves.
  
  How for exampe is my son going to feel? Is he going to spend loads of money on that wig/weave?
  
  Anti-bald products may be aruged to be selling themselves by attacking bald people's self esteem. Is that okay? Is it? I am not sure. Compare weight loss products. Do they sell themselves in the same way? What if there were skin  whitening products sold in the same way? Are there? Is there, should there be, any activism to have anti-bald hate propaganda banned or controlled?
  
  Perhaps it is up to bald people to produce commericals that put the opposite point of view?
• #1 by tomgallagher on 28 Sep, 2011 05:49
• Some cultures around the world boggle the minds of other cultures. This seems to be one of those cases.
• #2 by Mike on 28 Sep, 2011 13:42
• I always love the 'Bosley' commercials, they say something along the lines of "There is now a cure for balding" or "Now you have a choice when it comes to balding" and things like that. Many of the friends/family I am around see the commercial come on and think its hilarious that people pay so much money to just slow down whats happening anyway, why not just shave it off and 'Beat balding" and embrace it.
• #3 by Slynito on 28 Sep, 2011 14:55
• I seriously believe that, "bald by choice" has become very popular in the US. Maybe not so in other American countries except Canada, perhaps. I see many men on the streets, celebs and musicians lookin' clean...more and more all the time. What y'all think?
• #4 by buddha on 28 Sep, 2011 23:24
• Although I would not consider spending one red cent on rugs, plugs, or drugs I actually found myself shaking my head about this topic. I understand that some people probably hate the way my shiny bald dome looks and they probably call me names and bad mouth me behind my back. But is it "hate speech"? I think that's a stretch.
  
• #5 by Razor X on 29 Sep, 2011 07:33
• Quote from: buddha on 28 Sep, 2011 23:24

  Although I would not consider spending one red cent on rugs, plugs, or drugs I actually found myself shaking my head about this topic. I understand that some people probably hate the way my shiny bald dome looks and they probably call me names and bad mouth me behind my back. But is it "hate speech"? I think that's a stretch.
  
  

  
  I could not agree more.
• #6 by Chavster on 29 Sep, 2011 11:35
• Is there, should there be, any activism to have anti-bald hate propaganda banned or controlled?
  
  Oh please... 
  
  I dont know what its like in Japan, but I couldnt give a flying sideways copulation whether someone likes my head (or not) or what they say behind my back. If I can laugh at Donald Trump's hair, why cant he laugh at my invisible hair?
  
  The only thing that matters to me, when it comes to my shiny head, is whether me myself and I likes it or not. I do. So do me and myself. End of story.
  
  Anti-bald hate propaganda?? lol.
• #7 by timtak on 29 Sep, 2011 22:35
• Thanks for the replies. I did not have the notification on so I did not notice at first.
  
  hate speech" is going too far, true (I have removed it). But then, there are various levels. What I am trying to say is, something that has been said a lot before; even here people do find it difficult to shave their heads, and some members do find commericials a downer, and or admit of their influence.
  
  pdxtodd writes Its the same as hair replacement systems -- they prey on the vulnerable.  They take your money.  They pump your head full of ideas that "this will look so natural".   Their TV commercials show women hanging all over these guys.   They're slick snake oil salesmen.   They know how to get to us.   I was had.
  
  Ghost1988 writes i hate those commercials. when  i see them i get pissed off and change the channel cuz they bum me out.
  
  Marz writes on the subject of Commericals
  -Play off a mans insecurities when he realizes he is loosing his hair.
  -Remind this person repeatedly that girls only like guys with hair, even if it is fake.
  -Really drill home the point that he will be a social paraiah if he allows his MPB to develop naturally.
  -Assure them that the expense of a "system" is worth it and it looks real.
  -Once it is on and the MPB continues, they are locked in to it. If they didnt want to be bald in the first place, removing it after they are more bald will be even harder.
  Now seriously, this sounds like a tobacco company strategy.
   
  Brkeatr writes It also peeves me when they say that all men look better with hair etc.
  
  SlicEric writes When those lame commercials from the Bosley Institute come on, I hit the remote and do a fast forward. It's a crime that they target the insecurities of balding men.
  
  Babybudda writes I was liberated from those dam commercials telling me I was losing my youth my power my you name it.
  
  Baldconfidence writes Its very refreshing to hear this side of the issue after being fed negative comments not just from friends and family, but even things like hair loss commercials that make it seem like a disease or something.
  
  bem75 writes I saw one of the *** commercials the other day and I wanted to throw something at the TV.  I'd love to have a SBG commercial that aired right after the HCM and told guys that it was okay to be bald.  Basically the opposite of those ridiculous *** commercials.
  
  Tyler writes off this forumOne of the other reasons men fear balding is all the hair restoration commercials and ads that are shown these days. All these ads portray a man as being lonely, unsuccessful, and desperate as a bald man. But the second he gets his hair restoration he gets that date he was looking for, has a huge smile on his face, and is driving that dream car. These ads want to strike fear in a man so he goes out and gives the advertiser thousands of dollars.
  
  buddha (who though he expresses disagreement above) writes I am tired of being insulted, and I mute commercials.
  
  It seems to me that the influence of the media is largely unconscious. There is research on this. People swear blind that they have not been influenced by commercials but there is a multi-billion dollar commercial industry for one reason: they work. And if it were so easy to ignore the anti-bald-ism, from commercials and society at large, why does this site exists?
  
  Racism occurs and people of non-white races may find it difficult to get employment, married, memberships, and speech that encourages such racism is called hate speech. It is against the law in many countries. But it seems to me that being "prematurely" (?) bald may also result, to a lesser extent to reduced employment and marriage prospects, partly becaues of the "hate"(negativity) being put out by the media. This effects bald people themselves, especially if the person in question does not have the presence of mind or support, of the members here, and if affects perceptions of bald guys in society at large. The average (non bald) viewer has nothing invested in the issue, so will be morelikely to take the commericials at their '(lying) word and think "Oh yeah, it must be awful".
  
  At the very least a lot of these commercials are ******* rude, disgustingly rude, and I think that they should be told. I'd like to see some activism! I'd even pay :-) I'd like to see a commercial starring Vin Diesel or Bruce Willis telling the makers of such 'propaganda' that they are money-grabbing rude bastards, that put people down to make a buck. It is a given, but it needs to be said, far and wide: shmucks that make money out of making people ashamed of their nature are the ones that should be truly and publicly shamed. Or better still, it should stop.
• #8 by Chavster on 30 Sep, 2011 00:19
• At the very least a lot of these commercials are ******* rude, disgustingly rude
  
  Yeah and there are plenty of more important issues in the world to deal with. Something like this is way down the line IMO. Any time someone is hurt or upset, its important, no matter what the hurt and upset is about, but in the grand scheme of things, if we have time to campaign etc etc etc, then there are bigger and more crucial things happening in the world to campaign about.
  
  If someone laughing at my bald head and talking about it behind my back is the worst thing that ever happens to me, I'll be a very happy guy.
  
  If I were to get upset or take offense at every bald joke, every 'he has a very hairy chest' joke, every 'facial hair is SO 80's' jibe, every 'he has a few extra pounds' comment, then I'd just be a quivering wreck. If people dont like the way I look, tough titty. I like it. Thats what matters. We can all be the subject of put-downs and ridicule, because there will always be a differing point of view to our own. But you need to choose your battles carefully, and preferably in order of importance.
  
• #9 by timtak on 30 Sep, 2011 00:57
• "If someone laughing at by bald head and talking about it behind my back is the worst thing that ever happens to me, I'll be a very happy guy."
  
  Very true.
  
  To be honest I am not involved in any activism. Perhaps you are busy choosing other battles, but my for my sins, I am not.  
  
  I think that most people here on this forum are largely over the bald-thing, emotionally at least. It is not really for me that I was thinking of being "active." I started shaving my head about 20 years ago. But there there are a lot of people who are not over it, that are being fleeced by wig/weave makers, that loose sleep, that are stressed, that are suffering. People don't pay that much money unless they are suffering. One can't but suffer with one of those wig things on.
  
  (I have known at least one guy whose life was thrown upside down by balding. In his twenties he felt that he could not get a job because of anti-balding prejudice and that he had to emigrate temporarily and come back with a weave, such was the prejudice that he felt existed against the bald. Perhaps there are other threads listing such horror stories.)
  
  I choose battles that are close to home, even if they are not the most important. Perhaps I should campaign for racial equality, but somehow it seems like it is not my fight. Baldness and people making out that is very negative is my fight. It is not so much of a deal for me, and for that reason, I can speak about it, bring up this topic, say that it hurts me a bit, and others a lot.
  
  I think that a lot of us here on these forums, fought our way through this by telling ourselves it does not matter. And hey, we found that it did not matter nearly so much. We got though it and out clean the other side. But taking a step back...being real, being honest, I am still upset with the negativity that I see on TV, and I know that there are a hell of a lot of other people, including one day perhaps my son that will be taken in by it. I am not saying it is really horrible. But it is still I believe it may be deserving of reproach.
  
  I write a few posts here. I'd donate some money if there were a place to donate to. I'd sign a petition.
• #10 by Chavster on 30 Sep, 2011 01:26
• You're certainly not wrong for feeling passionate about it. Being passionate about anything is great, as long as the passion is properly channeled.
  
  From my own point of view (and this is purely a personal position), there are terrible atrocities happening in Africa. There are people starving on the streets, not only in far-away lands, but on our very own city streets (and I'm talking about my city streets, your city streets, and every city street in between). There's AIDS awareness. Poverty. Combatting Malaria. Chlamydia. Taxation. Music piracy. Somalian piracy. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.
  
  This is a forum for bald guys, whether we're BBC or MPB or whatever. So you're quite right to vent your thoughts and feelings and anger here, there's no question about that. This is the best place.
  
  But to change a culture, or a thought process, is not something you can do with a few tv commercials and a propaganda campaign. Its great you want to, its great you're passionate about it, and I'm not belittling that at all, and I'm certainly not belittling anyone with a hair loss issue so upsetting that its damaging their lives (even though I dont fully understand it).
  
  But I do think there are bigger battles to be battled, and bigger dragons to be slayed. Your passion is admirable, but Im sure that if you look within 1 square mile of your own home, you'll find even bigger dragons, and ones which you'd probably slay very well indeed, and they could well be ones that make a big impact on things.
  
  From my own viewpoint, I like being bald. I wouldnt have it any other way. I'm completely BBC. I choose to be bald, even though the rest of my body is like King Kong. If anyone wants to laugh at me, they can go right ahead. They can sit there laughing until the end of time if they want to, and while they do, I focus my energies into Oxfam (one of the UK's leading charities), because I think it makes a difference.
  
  Again, I'm not saying 'you're wrong'. I'm just suggesting you choose your battles carefully, because some are important and can be won, and some are less so and never will be won.
  
  
   
• #11 by timtak on 30 Sep, 2011 02:11
• I choose this battle
  
  First of all, are all these commercials hate speech? What ist he definition of "hate speech" and how is it different?
  
  To what extent would people hate bald anyway, even if there were no commercials?
  [My view - balding associated with aging. Personally I would not be bald if I could have a lot of hair. I bump my head. I need sun cream and or hats. On the other hand, balding may also be a sign of testosterone which may be a good thing. All in all, balding is not nearly, not 5% as bad as it is made out to be. It is not the sort of thing that should make anyone suffer, methinks, but in part it is made into horror quite deliberately by people making a lot of money out of it. ]
  
  To what extent the commercials propogating negative views of baldness among the bald and the non-bald?
  
  How might this be measured?
  
  What is the history of baldness? How bad was balding in the past? On the Bosely web site there is a political pundit who claims that hairier presidential candidate has won in presidential elections for the past 50 years. Has balding got worse and is there any correlation between increasingly negative valuations and the bald-bashing industry?
  
  In what other ways are the media controlling, and damning, the publich image of baldness? It seems to me that in a hell of a lot of Hollywood movies and dramas baddies are bald. In who-dunnit type situations it is often a good bet assume that the bald guy did it. There are exceptions of course, but is there research? Racial minorities do research on the way that they are portrayed in the media. Black guys are now used as police chiefs and science technicians in a lot of movies and conversely movies that use black guys as villians are difficult to make. Is this a good thing?
  
  What sort of suffering is going on? Where can I read about it? Sleeplessness? Health issues? Suicide even?
  
  There was a guy in Japan recently that went berserk and killed a lot of people with a knife. He did it because, he said on his blog, he was lonely and could not get a girlfriend, because he was so ugly. Looking at his photo, the only thing that might be said to be 'ugly' about him was that he, at about 23, had a receding hairline. Desperate men do desperate things. Is there any other evidence of the bald being driven to act anti-socially?
• #12 by Chavster on 30 Sep, 2011 03:09
• There was a guy in Japan recently that went berserk and killed a lot of people with a knife. He did it because, he said on his blog, he was lonely and could not get a girlfriend, because he was so ugly. Looking at his photo, the only thing that might be said to be 'ugly' about him was that he, at about 23, had a receding hairline. Desperate men do desperate things. Is there any other evidence of the bald being driven to act anti-socially?
  
  'Other' evidence? In the example you've given, you havent even said the media or other people thought he was ugly because of baldness. Where is the evidence, let alone the 'other' evidence? You said he himself thought he was ugly (which he's entitled to do, and which he'd probably do with or without the help of the media), and that the only thing that might be said to be 'ugly' about him was that had a receeding hairline. If you, the CEO of Bald Men Are Hard Done By Inc (Asia Division) says that, then are you the right man to be the champion? Someone else might have said 'the only thing that might be said to be 'ugly' about him is that he had a peculiar nose/was 3 oz overweight. Why do you assume that people are going to think bald head = ugly??
  
  If there are people in the world that are capable of 'hating' bald people, then no amount of tv advertising, propaganda, newspaper advertisements or protests are going to change them, because to 'hate' someone purely on their look means the 'hater' has a psychiatric problem.
  
  On the Bosely web site there is a political pundit who claims that hairier presidential candidate has won in presidential elections for the past 50 years
  
  Who cares? Whether they have hair or not, whatever country they happen to be presiding over, they've all done a sh*tty job time and time again. Plus, given the law of averages, and the fact that most men in the world have hair, is it surprising that the hairier candidate has won? Margaret Thatcher had plenty of hair and she f**ked the population of the UK over several times. IMO, neither Bush (junior) or Obama are/were God's gift to the world, but they both have hair. Winston Churchill, on the other hand, was a great leader and he had a head like a white tangerine.
  
  To what extent the commercials propogating negative views of baldness among the bald and the non-bald?
  
  I dont think I've ever yet - and I've lived here over 30 years - seen a tv commercial here about baldness, or wigs, or 'systems', or Bosley (which I'd never even heard of until I joined this group). So maybe your issue is with the Japanese culture?
  
  What sort of suffering is going on? Where can I read about it? Sleeplessness? Health issues? Suicide even?
  
  I dont know, but if it is, then the person doing the suffering needs to seek some advice, because something as superficial as hair (or lack thereof) should not be causing such angst, just as the person who 'hates' people because they're bald shouldnt be 'hating' so much.
  
  Japan has gone through some serious suffering this year. There are former Japanese people floating around in the Pacific as we speak, and they'll never be found. Some of them are on the seabed. Some of them are inside the stomachs of fish. For those people, game over. Nothing makes any difference to them anymore.
  
  However, for the ones they left behind - the grieving families and friends and colleagues - they are the ones going through real suffering. Ask any of them whether they'd vote for a man with hair as opposed to a man with no hair, and they'd tell you they couldnt give a sh1t. The absolutely HUGE vast majority of the world couldn't give a sh1t about whether a man is bald or not, because it makes no difference.
  
  For the small tiny teensy weensy unimportant minority, if you want to fight the good fight, you're welcome to, obviously. Im pleased you have time and money to do so. Im envious. But I cant imagine many people picking up a banner or hiring airtime on NHK / NBC / BBC / CBC to promote the wonders of baldness, because there are people that like what they like, and others that dont like what they dont like, and you or me or him over there, we're not going to change anyone's mind.
  
  There's a man on this very site - and I would imagine he'll know who he is - who I think is probably one of the most handsome men I've seen in my nearly 50 years on this green and luscious planet. Yet he's not confident about his looks. Does it revolve around his lack of hair? I think it possibly does, or at least part of it is because of his baldness.
  
  I myself went through a few years of insecurity about my looks. It had nothing to do with hair, it just had a lot to do with looking like a middle-aged bruiser.
  
  I know another guy who has more hair than he knows what to do with. He looks (to me) utterly ridiculous, but he thinks he's the dog's bollocks (meaning: perfect).
  
  We - the human race - need to work on our own issues before we can convince anyone else to change theirs. Your guy that killed himself, he killed himself for more reasons than 'I couldnt get a girlfriend because I'm ugly', I can assure you. There isnt a person alive who doesnt have an issue or two, but before we can change the world's opinions, we need to work on our own.
  
  Ergo, choose your battles carefully.
  
  /signing out.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• #13 by buddha on 30 Sep, 2011 16:16
• Quote from: timtak on 29 Sep, 2011 22:35

  buddha (who though he expresses disagreement above) writes I am tired of being insulted, and I mute commercials.
  

  
  OK, there is a concept that we call "taking things out of context" and that is just what you have done here. True enough the Hair Club and Bosley commercials are insulting insofar as they prey upon men's fear and insecurity. As if men don't have enough $h!t to worry about nowadays. But I'm thinking that my point in the thread that you quoted was that most, if not all, commercials are insulting. And you left out the part of me getting tired of watching the news because it is something I find insulting. That was a general statement about the news, not just the part of the news where they rant about all of us bald guys and the effect we have on global warming.
  I also find commercials from Toyota insulting as well as commercials for Viagra where a bunch of guys are sitting in a bar jamming out a tune about erections (or the lack thereof). In fact all pharmaceutical commercials are insulting and beyond that are nothing more than a tool for that segment of the medical community that are nothing more than legalized pill pushers. And they are partly the reason that prescription drug prices are as ridiculous as they are. You name a product that airs commercials on TV and I've probably felt insulted by one of them. So to use the above quote as a way to show that I am somehow waiting in the wings to get out on the street with a picket sign about "no more hate speech about bald guys" is an indication to me that somebody needs to get a hobby that doesn't involve the computer.
  I have a friend who picks up causes the way a vacuum cleaner picks up dust bunnies. Every time somebody looks to her like an oppressed minority she gets ready to ride into battle. She gives dirty looks to people who drive SUVs because they use so much gas and are damaging Mother Earth. And she is one of the most nervous and least happy people I have ever known. If she asked my opinion I would paraphrase a line from my all time favorite movie "Fight Club": You have got to develop the ability to let that which does not matter truly slide. And this cause, in my opinion, does not matter.
  The reason it does not matter is simple. I CHOOSE to be bald. Oh, I could let my hair grow out. It's real thin on top and I think it would look bad so I shave my head. But beyond that I guess I have developed the ability to let the things that do not matter truly slide, like when some idiot makes a comment in public about some old guy with a shaved head. It's a sticks and stones vs. the spoken word problem, Timtak. It means nothing. The time I will get concerned is when the loudmouth walks over and sets a hand on me. Then I have a decision to make. And, to be honest, no one has ever said anything I could hear that was anything close to hate speech about my shiny melon, let alone laid hands on me about it. But if that day comes I'll deal with it the best I can.
  As far as "hate speech" is concerned the best definition I have heard is the one that described it as what used to be called "fightn' words". I don't know if I'm ready to fight over someone's opinion of my scraped dome, probably because of my fear of getting my a$$ kicked.
  Now, all that being said, I will sleep better knowing that there do exist in this mean world people who ARE willing to pick up causes and ride into battle. Keep pushin' on, brother.
• #14 by timtak on 01 Oct, 2011 16:50
• First of all I am sorry I quoted Buddha out of context (or would it be more correct to say misquoted?). Perhaps I need more time to pursue my hobby, so that I can make sure that I don't make the same mistake again. I will be more careful. Please accept my sincere apology.
  
  And I like GSGUK's new photo. The post though...Thanks GSGUK but...I don't understand why you are so active about being inactive :-) I am from the UK where I don't think I saw a wig/weave/potion advert either. I found that the UK was a nice place to be bald.
  
  As Buddha says, one can choose to be bald. I do. I first shaved my head in my 20s. Often I just let my self be pateless, bald-on-top. I gave myself a good shave before making my photo here.  I am 46 now so being bald becomes par for the course.  Generally I have other things to worry about and being bald does not occur to me, or it is a hell of a long way down the list.
  
  But what does occur to me is other people's suffering. People talk about it. Or rather often they can't talk about it. People have, from my point of view, amzing comb overs, amazingly obvious weaves and skull paint. Occasionally people tell me how much it hurts them. I mean really - adult men in real pain.
  
  And every day on the television there are adverts telling people that they should be worried, anxious, unable to talk about it. Showing people just managing to talk about it, while people, terribly concerned, express their support. Its okay you can talk about it. You DON'T NEED TO BE CONCERNED. They say. They show how depressed we are while we are bald and how happy, popular and successful we are with the weave.
  
  There is so much suffering going on, and there are people and making money out of it.
  
  My son, like me, is fairly likely to be balding in his 20's.
  
  I have been thinking about this sort of action for a long time. I joke about forming a baldies association. But then I found one here on this web site. It is a shame though that the baldies association has different interests to me. I am not sure what this association is here for.
  
  I found this association from a comment on a youtube video wwhere one sly guy recommended this forum as a place to get support, where he himself got support, and the courage to go sly. Perhaps everyone is still hurting so much that they want to tell everyone how cool their dome looks, and how cool they are about this issue, how it does not matter to them. Perhaps everyone is in so much pain that they can not address this issue for to do so would require that members admit that the issue is painful.
  
  So perhaps we should forget it? Forget that we, or at least our sons, are being encouragd to think of ourselves in a negative way.