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Confidence and Success => Fitness/Diet => Topic started by: bungalow bill on February 09, 2007, 07:47:57 AM
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Hey all! Would like any feedback please if anyone has used Creatine or GABA in their training routines.
Iam being told conflicting stories, & iam a bit dubious about using them but lots of people say they work some say they dont,any thoughts?
Thanks
Bill
ps could someone advise how to arrach the smileys-cheers
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Hey Bill, I don't know about GABA but, my brother used to use Creatine. What is your goal? What results do you wish to get out of using these supplements?
To attach a smiley, just click on it and it will add it into your post. O0
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I don't think I've ever heard of GABA either. A quick web search reveals that it is an amino acid and supplementation is intended to release HGH.
I use creatine with my workout regimen. Right now, I just started CellMass by BSN. In the past I've used Creatine Infusion by Sci Fit. In my opinion, the Sci Fit helped with recovery and size to a smaller extent. Wal Mart sells some cheap stuff which I tried and I don't believe it helped at all.
If you're going to use creatine, get creatine ethyl ester (CEE) as opposed to creatine monohydrate. Its generally accepted that it works better with less GI side effects. Some other brand names to look for are Xceed or Green Bulge.
Keep in mind also that some people just don't respond to creatine, while others may have fantastic results.
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I would also add that when you are taking supplements of any kind, make sure to stay hydrated, especially with Creatine. You will most likely mix the creatine with water, but increase your uptake outside of that as well. W3!ght
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Thanks for the feed back guys. Ihave been told that GABA is a big fat reducer. In answer to Tyler i train regularly but iam at the stage where i have the "love handles" but have the arm size i want so dont want to lose the size by losing weight to get rid of the weight around my abdomen. :-\
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:) As always, Medic, I am impressed by your knowledge of sports medicine and healing. I think I'll throw my Merck's away, and just consult you. How's the dome? Slainte, Professor Melon
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Thanks for the feed back guys. Ihave been told that GABA is a big fat reducer. In answer to Tyler i train regularly but iam at the stage where i have the "love handles" but have the arm size i want so dont want to lose the size by losing weight to get rid of the weight around my abdomen. :-\
I hear ya! If you've seen my fitness plan you'll know what I've been up to. Going to head to the gym here in a minute. I've heard that CLA can help burn fat also. I need to change something up - I've been losing fat but not any weight. Maybe it will take some time where I will continue to build muscle and then plateau on that front and actually start to lose more fat pounds than muscle pounds that I'm gaining. I'm thinking of adding more veggies to my diet and take out some of the protien. Any advice?
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Anyone hear about that weight loss pill that was just approved by the FDA? It's called Alli I think? It's basically a lower strength form of a prescription fat blocker. It's shown to block something like 150 calories from fat in each meal. The fat is not digested so you in turn poo it out. Yum
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:) As always, Medic, I am impressed by your knowledge of sports medicine and healing. I think I'll throw my Merck's away, and just consult you. How's the dome? Slainte, Professor Melon
Healing quite nicely thank you! Peroxide and triple antibiotic work wonders! I wouldn't throw Merck's away just yet though!!!
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Medic, what's your line of work? EMT? I'm in healthcare too, radiology to be specific. Cat scans and x-rays are my deal.
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My biggest problem with fat loss pills is this: COMBINED WITH EXCERSIZE AND A HEALTHY DIET THIS WILL SHED POUNDS. am i just confused or would excersize and a healthy diet do it alone. and better for your body as well?
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I hear what your saying Paul & agree with you.The problem i have is little fat on my arms ,chest back etc & if i reduce calorie intake i lose the size i have got in those area which i dont want to do. Have heard about the fat blocker pills as some of the guys where i work out use them but can only use them for a limited period & then have to take a break because of various side effects, i think they are mainly used for people with serious weight problems.
Know what you mean Tyler, have been told that the more muscle you build the more calories your body burns so posssibly the extra protein is a good way to go? The Gaba apparently speeds up your metabolism. Thanks for the advice on the smileys.
Bill
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I had great results using CE2 combined with NO2. I cant stand using the powdered creatine (used to mix it with grape juice) as it makes me feel like Im drinking sand. CE2 came in a pill form so I found it a lot more user friendly. Don't know where you buy your supplements but I found (so far at least) the massnutrition.com has the lowest prices.
On a side note, anyone try BSN products? I'm about to start my rehab work and I was thinking of trying some of their stuff, this to be exact http://www.prosource.net/muscle-stack-plus/5768-1/15890/
I know it says prosource.net, but I found that buying it individually from massnutrition.com is cheaper. Good luck.
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Hey all! Would like any feedback please if anyone has used Creatine or GABA in their training routines.
Iam being told conflicting stories, & iam a bit dubious about using them but lots of people say they work some say they dont,any thoughts?
Thanks
Bill
ps could someone advise how to arrach the smileys-cheers
I've noticed some moderate improvement in recovery time using creatine, but nothing miraculous.
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Medic, what's your line of work? EMT? I'm in healthcare too, radiology to be specific. Cat scans and x-rays are my deal.
Yeah, Spaceape. Paramedic for a small rural ambulance district which I also help manage.
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The BSN Muscle Stack includes: Nitrix (180 tabs), NO-Xplode (40 servings), CellMass (40 servings), and Axis-HT (120 tabs).
This is basically what I'm taking now, except I'm out of the Axis HT. I was already taking that and the Nitrix and just started the NOxplode and Cellmass yesterday.
BSN stuff is high priced but I think its a quality product. Most of my purchases are on ebay.
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I am a sucker sometimes when it comes to marketing, so I used xyience and have been very pleased for its results. the nox is good stuff, taste like crap. :(
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I am a sucker sometimes when it comes to marketing, so I used xyience and have been very pleased for its results. the nox is good stuff, taste like crap. :(
Me too. I tried some xyience products about a year ago, when I first started into some supps. Didn't really know what I was doing then (maybe still don't ;)) and I didn't buy anymore. I really like the xyience energy drinks.
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Their energy drinks are too diff to find. I have only seen them at GNC and to avoid spending the next three pay checks before I ever see them I avoid going there.
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I hear ya! The dude at GNC usually gives me a couple when I go in there, cuz I've just unloaded my wallet. :'(
I mostly buy supps online now. Alot cheaper than GNC.
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Ahh... something I can talk with a certain degree of authority on! It's funny because I just ran across some pictures of me before I started working out. (Before: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/scooterboogie/Pictures%20of%20Me/skinnyscott_canoe.jpg (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/scooterboogie/Pictures%20of%20Me/skinnyscott_canoe.jpg) (140 lbs.) and after: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/scooterboogie/Pictures%20of%20Me/jan20th2007.jpg, (170 lbs, 13% body fat) for shits and giggles)
Anyway, I'm not some crazy bodybuilder (as you can see), but I've been experimenting with supplements for a while and have an idea of what I like and what works for me.
Rule #1) Work out consistently! Make it part of your lifestyle. Otherwise all the supplements you buy don't mean a thing.
Rule #2) Protein, protein, protein! If you can only afford one supplement, make it protein powder.
CREATINE
That said, I have used creatine products for a while. I was using them back when they had ephedra, and they were great! Too great, really, because the ephedra made my heart race too much and it freaked me out, so I stopped. I gained about 10 lbs on it, and I think most of it was water weight.
I stopped using creatine for a while and started again, with BSN's CellMass. CellMass is supposed to be the best out there, because they use the Creatine ethyl ester and not just creatine monohydrate (someone mentioned the diff. before), and because it's so low in calories (40 per serving). However, some people argue that creatine doesn't get absorbed as well by your body unless you have a big insulin spike, so I've been using Muscletech's CellTech Hardcore. (Man, they have stupid names for these products) It has 75 grams of dextrose per serving, which I have to be cautious with, since I'm prone to hypoglycemia.
Nevertheless, since I started using creatine again, I can't tell a difference - at all. My roommate swears by it, but he buys into the marketing a lot also, and the pseudo-science in the 4-page advertisements these companies have. He's always buying the latest and "greatest" supplements. Some people really respond to creatine, though. I just don't.
So why do I still have creatine? Well, a guy I know has a girlfriend that manages the local GNC, so... I kinda have the hookup. People return products all the time, or products get damaged in shipping or stocking, and it ends up in my kitchen. Once I get through the supply I have, though, I'm not taking anymore.
PROTEIN
Protein is the best, most essential supplement, by far. Work out consistently, your body will need more protein to repair the muscles that you've been tearing apart than your normal diet can provide. It's the cheapest way to get what you need. About a gram of protein per day per lb of body weight is good for you. I use GNC's Mega Isolate whey protein. It has less calories than their regular protein and less cholesterol.
There are different types of proteins, btw. Casein, whey, egg, soy... soy has estrogenic tendencies for a lot of people after continued use, so I've stayed away from it. I've heard egg is the most easily absorbed by your body, but you are a walking stink bomb if you take it. Soy is the only vegetable protein that has all the essential amino acids. I've never heard much about casein... but whey is cheap, and is really easily absorbed by your body. I've heard it's absorbed in about 30 minutes. A lot of whey proteins are sold with BCAAs (Branch chain amino acids) added, so that the protein is synthesized in your body efficiently.
Those are the two major supplements out there. If you need to know more about other supplements, post a reply on here. Bodybuilding.com is a good resource as is wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding_supplements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding_supplements)
Currently, I am taking:
- GNC Mega Isolate Whey protein
- Muscletech CellTech
- BSN NO Xplode (this is awesome when you first try it)
- GNC L-Glutamine capsules
For dinner each night (really two separate meals, one around 6:30PM and one around 10PM) I try to eat about a pound of dead animal, one way or another. Lean (93/7) ground beef, lean (93/7) ground turkey, tuna, or turkey breast.
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Great post socctty!
So why do I still have creatine? Well, a guy I know has a girlfriend that manages the local GNC, so... I kinda have the hookup. People return products all the time, or products get damaged in shipping or stocking, and it ends up in my kitchen. Once I get through the supply I have, though, I'm not taking anymore.
Sweet! At least you could try some other things if you wanted.
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Man, that is one hell of a post! Nice job O0