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Discussions About Being Bald => Bald Celebs => Topic started by: J.J. on October 15, 2008, 09:45:58 PM
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the newest Presidential campaign hot button is Joe The Plumber, a Sly Bald Guy!
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hey jj: i've never heard of joe the plumber. does he have his own tv show?
WARHAWK O0
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Joe the Plumber has turned into a political metaphor. Love it!
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I generally hate political stuff and have yet to watch a debate but I keep seeing this Joe the Plumber crap everywhere. What is it?
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the newest Presidential campaign hot button is Joe The Plumber, a Sly Bald Guy!
(https://www.slybaldguys.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.usatoday.net%2Fnews%2F_photos%2F2008%2F10%2F15%2Fjoe-plumberx-large.jpg&hash=01428f95ab88ac8ca80df5383abddf4fd92d2ee7)
Yeah, Joe the Plumber was the star of the debate tonight! O0
As an aside, did anyone see Hank Williams Jr. at the McCain rally the other day. He took off his hat; I think that was the first time I ever saw him without it. He has a horrible combover. Someone send the man a Headblade!!
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hey jj: i've never heard of joe the plumber. does he have his own tv show?
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Joe the Plumber questioned Obama about his tax proposals at a rally in Ohio and was told that Obama wants to spread Joe's wealth around.
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Joe the Plumber questioned Obama about his tax proposals at a rally in Ohio and was told that Obama wants to spread Joe's wealth around.
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Don't get me started.......... :Xo!
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Joe the Plumber questioned Obama about his tax proposals at a rally in Ohio and was told that Obama wants to spread Joe's wealth around.
Don't get me started.......... :Xo!
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I don't want to get anyone started on a political discussion. Just answering the question without editorializing. ::) That's all I'm gonna say. :-X
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Here's when Joe the Sly Plumber was introduced to the US electorate.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/15/sot.obama.joe.the.plumber.cnn?iref=mpvideosview
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Good job RazorX.
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This just in, guys - Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote. :D ahh the irony.
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This just in, guys - Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote. :D ahh the irony.
Yes, I seen him on the news this am as they were interviewing him...
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I'm not sure if that is correct. I just listened to part of the interview and he wouldn't tell who he was voting for but mentioned going to the voting booth. He sounded like a very intelligent guy and a great SLY ambassador.
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I'm not sure if that is correct. I just listened to part of the interview and he wouldn't tell who he was voting for but mentioned going to the voting booth. He sounded like a very intelligent guy and a great SLY ambassador.
....and he pinned Obama in the corner with his question and wouldn't let him off the hook. I love when any politician has to squirm a bit............
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Joe the Plumber got mentioned on our morning TV shows in Oz. He's gone international! ;D
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Joe the plumber is my kind of guy..everyday working class American...as for making Obama squirm... I hope to see that more.....ALOT more O0
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He came across as very articulate and was up on the issues. Blows any stereo-type of a dumb bald guy!
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He came across as very articulate and was up on the issues. Blows any stereo-type of a dumb bald guy!
People should come to SBG to dispell that myth....the majority of the members here are anything but dumb!
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Two things that do not make me dumb....being SLY..and being from the south.
Now have to go study for 30 minutes..the orange juice bottle says...."concentrate"
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Looks like the plumber has another problem too. He owes $1200 in back taxes.
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Amazzzzzzzzzzzing how the media spins and brings up things. I doubt seriously he is the only one owing taxes. Just another attempt by the media to draw attention from where it needs to be.
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I'm not sure if that is correct. I just listened to part of the interview and he wouldn't tell who he was voting for but mentioned going to the voting booth. He sounded like a very intelligent guy and a great SLY ambassador.
I find it hard to believe that someone who was engaged enough to go to a rally and actually address the candidate with some hard-hitting questions wouldn't bother to register to vote. It would be kind of strange, don't you think?
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Is he registered to vote? who knows? why was it stated that he isn't if he is?
And; ... did he make Obama squirm? The Senator gave him an articulate response, but squirm? I don't think so .
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Is he registered to vote? who knows? why was it stated that he isn't if he is?
And; ... did he make Obama squirm? The Senator gave him an articulate response, but squirm? I don't think so .
Nooott talkin' politics here, in anyway...even though "Razor" baited us :Xo! ;)...
but people see what they want to see John! ;)
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Nooott talkin' politics here, in anyway...even though "Razor" baited us :Xo! ;)...
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I didn't bait anybody. ???
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I didn't bait anybody. ???
Really? ;)
Joe the Plumber questioned Obama about his tax proposals at a rally in Ohio and was told that Obama wants to spread Joe's wealth around.
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I didn't bait anybody. ???
Really? ;)
Joe the Plumber questioned Obama about his tax proposals at a rally in Ohio and was told that Obama wants to spread Joe's wealth around.
Yeah, really. That's what happened.
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he said "the wealth" ... not " your (Joe's) wealth"
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he said "the wealth" ... not " your (Joe's) wealth"
I was paraphrasing. :/O
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he said "the wealth" ... not " your (Joe's) wealth"
I was paraphrasing. :/O
Come on bro...
BIG difference between "the" and "your"...
cuz all I know is I'm in the "your"=(true "Average Joe" in my book) catagory
ok...I'm done :-X
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he said "the wealth" ... not " your (Joe's) wealth"
I was paraphrasing. :/O
Come on bro...
BIG difference between "the" and "your"...
cuz all I know is I'm in the "your"=(true "Average Joe" in my book) catagory
ok...I'm done :-X
So if I'm concerned that my taxes are about to go up and I ask a presidential candidate how I'm going to be impacted by his plan and he tells me that the plan is going to spread "the" wealth around, I'm supposed to conclude that he's talking about somebody else's wealth and not mine? ???
Silly me, how could I have failed to realize that. ::)
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he said "the wealth" ... not " your (Joe's) wealth"
I was paraphrasing. :/O
Come on bro...
BIG difference between "the" and "your"...
cuz all I know is I'm in the "your"=(true "Average Joe" in my book) catagory
ok...I'm done :-X
So if I'm concerned that my taxes are about to go up and I ask a presidential candidate how I'm going to be impacted by his plan and he tells me that the plan is going to spread "the" wealth around, I'm supposed to conclude that he's talking about somebody else's wealth and not mine? ???
Silly me, how could I have failed to realize that. ::)
Sure, if you consider yourself wealthy...
you might be the one of ones that's extra taxed..
I just know I'm not in that catagory! O:O
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Peace and love
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Peace and love
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Happy thoughts...........
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Poor Joe the Plumber, he's been put under the microscope like all public figures, and now we know he doesn't have a plumber's license and he's back on his taxes. I think it makes him more of an average American than we'd like to think about. Andy Warhol's Fifteen Minutes of Fame are going to do a number on this guy. It was interesting though, I noticed he wasn't "cleanly" shaven in the first appearance, but in a subsequent interview he was sly, clean and smooth. What are Leno and the Late Night Guys going to do w/ this dude? ::)
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What are Leno and the Late Night Guys going to do w/ this dude? ::)
Probably UP their ratings.... O0
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By next week everyone will forget about him. Hilarious how just asking a question landing him this much attention.
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Just thought it would be nice to end this with this link...
see, politics do blow and there is no place for them here..(even if this wasn't close to being political talk ;))...every side just tries to confuse everything!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/howmuchdoplumbersreallymake#full
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Just thought it would be nice to end this with this link...
see, politics do blow and there is no place for them here..(even if this wasn't close to being political talk ;))...every side just tries to confuse everything!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/howmuchdoplumbersreallymake#full
When the article quotes:
As for Wurzelbacher, based on the region of the country he works in, the amount of experience he has, and the fact that he is unlicensed, he could be currently making anywhere between $40,000 and $70,000 - and no, he won't get stung by the Obama tax plan even if he buys that business. Still, not bad for an average Joe.
That is hugely irresponsible journalism. Mostly because they don't know which business he's attempting to buy. And second, if they did, they wouldn't be able to tell how much he would make unless they did due diligence on the finances of the business.
I can tell you that the two friends of mine that do own plumbing business with less than 10 employees make well over $250,000 a year.
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Just thought it would be nice to end this with this link...
see, politics do blow and there is no place for them here..(even if this wasn't close to being political talk ;))...every side just tries to confuse everything!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/howmuchdoplumbersreallymake#full
When the article quotes:
As for Wurzelbacher, based on the region of the country he works in, the amount of experience he has, and the fact that he is unlicensed, he could be currently making anywhere between $40,000 and $70,000 - and no, he won't get stung by the Obama tax plan even if he buys that business. Still, not bad for an average Joe.
That is hugely irresponsible journalism. Mostly because they don't know which business he's attempting to buy. And second, if they did, they wouldn't be able to tell how much he would make unless they did due diligence on the finances of the business.
I can tell you that the two friends of mine that do own plumbing business with less than 10 employees make well over $250,000 a year.
Very true and I agree!
But most "Average Joe's" do not make anywhere near 250k a year...
lets make that a little more realistic and say around 50k-60k..
and believe it or not THAT is still a very good wage...as it was about 15 years ago...
decent mid range job wages are around 20-25 bucks an hour (with "education")...
and THATS really the problem!
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Very true and I agree!
But most "Average Joe's" do not make anywhere near 250k a year...
lets make that a little more realistic and say around 50k-60k..
and believe it or not THAT is still a very good wage...as it was about 15 years ago...
decent mid range job wages are around 20-25 bucks an hour (with "education")...
and THATS really the problem!
I caught part of an interview on TV yesterday and the Obama spokeswoman was asked to clarify if the $250K threshold was gross or net income, and she replied that it was gross income. :o :o Hopefully she was mistaken, because if it really is gross income, that's going to hit a lot of small businesses very hard. Using Tyler's example, the business would have to gross more than $250K just to pay the salaries for the ten employees.
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Very true and I agree!
But most "Average Joe's" do not make anywhere near 250k a year...
lets make that a little more realistic and say around 50k-60k..
and believe it or not THAT is still a very good wage...as it was about 15 years ago...
decent mid range job wages are around 20-25 bucks an hour (with "education")...
and THATS really the problem!
I caught part of an interview on TV yesterday and the Obama spokeswoman was asked to clarify if the $250K threshold was gross or net income, and she replied that it was gross income. :o :o Hopefully she was mistaken, because if it really is gross income, that's going to hit a lot of small businesses very hard. Using Tyler's example, the business would have to gross more than $250K just to pay the salaries for the ten employees.
Once again, true.. if that's the case..
but even more true is the fact, that one simple reason we, as a country are in a huge mess is this..
the national average "good income" is 50k..historically (until now) home prices (median) have NEVER been 4 times greater than the average income..
so in a lot of cases it takes 2 incomes to afford basic needs..100k gets you by if you have a 200k mortgage and bills that all families have...
that STILL does not come close to 250k...with all the huge numbers people throw around 250k is still quite large...
and unfortunately (and yes it sucks) that makes 250k (even as a business) the taxable "rich"...
we need to work on our overall salaries folks!
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the national average "good income" is 50k..historically (until now) home prices (median) have NEVER been 4 times greater than the average income..
so in a lot of cases it takes 2 incomes to afford basic needs..100k gets you by if you have a 200k mortgage and bills that all families have...
that STILL does not come close to 250k...with all the huge numbers people throw around 250k is still quite large...
and unfortunately (and yes it sucks) that makes 250k (even as a business) the taxable "rich"...
we need to work on our overall salaries folks!
But taxing the rich is not going to make salaries for anyone go up. Quite the opposite.
I can remember back in the 80s my dad used to get at least a 10% raise every year. Nowadays we are lucky if we get 2 or 3% a year. The justification for the lower raises has always been that inflation was much higher in the 80s, but in the past year alone the cost of nearly everything has skyrocketed but we're still getting the same measly raises. It's definitely harder to get your salary higher these days. I haven't looked for a job in a long time, but a friend of mine who was looking last year came across several that had more responsibility than his current job, but the pay was also significantly lower.
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Don't get me wrong, I think that much of the markets are overpriced, such as real estate in many areas of the country. That will be corrected since people can't afford it, thus allowing people to afford a house easier. Salaries only rise when a supply of workers in a particular job segment is not plentiful enough to fill the demand. This is why the salaries where I live are so much higher than other areas of the country. Due to all the requirements for tech people, companies have to compete for them by offering higher salaries and other benefits.
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Very true and I agree!
But most "Average Joe's" do not make anywhere near 250k a year...
lets make that a little more realistic and say around 50k-60k..
and believe it or not THAT is still a very good wage...as it was about 15 years ago...
decent mid range job wages are around 20-25 bucks an hour (with "education")...
and THATS really the problem!
I caught part of an interview on TV yesterday and the Obama spokeswoman was asked to clarify if the $250K threshold was gross or net income, and she replied that it was gross income. :o :o Hopefully she was mistaken, because if it really is gross income, that's going to hit a lot of small businesses very hard. Using Tyler's example, the business would have to gross more than $250K just to pay the salaries for the ten employees.
She had to be misquoted. People would not allow a bill that taxed gross wages.
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I can remember back in the 80s my dad used to get at least a 10% raise every year. Nowadays we are lucky if we get 2 or 3% a year. The justification for the lower raises has always been that inflation was much higher in the 80s, but in the past year alone the cost of nearly everything has skyrocketed but we're still getting the same measly raises. It's definitely harder to get your salary higher these days. I haven't looked for a job in a long time, but a friend of mine who was looking last year came across several that had more responsibility than his current job, but the pay was also significantly lower.
Your pay is directly related to your willingness to have an increase in salary. If your boss doesn't give you a raise, you either didn't do enough to convince him/her that you're worth it or they can't financially afford it. Either way, if you really need that raise, you should find a company that is willing to pay you the money that you want. If you don't, then you have traded that increase in raise for something you feel is more important.
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But taxing the rich is not going to make salaries for anyone go up. Quite the opposite.
Once again...true...
but the deal is with all our expenses as a nation we WILL be taxed...we will and somewhere they'll go up..fact we must face..no matter WHO is in office....
so if the majority of Americans make WAY under what is "considered rich" (and it's really not rich)..at this point in time I would say let a bit more of the tax burden go to the ones that have WAY more than I or more than average have..
maybe I'll be "the rich"..but at this rate it will be a while..when it happens...
then I'll bitch about it...maybe! ;)
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Once again...true...
but the deal is with all our expenses as a nation we WILL be taxed...we will and somewhere they'll go up..fact we must face..no matter WHO is in office....
Actually, if you will look at just the recent history, every time that tax rates have been cut, it has spurred economic growth and resulted in a growth of tax revenues. This has happened during the 80's and during the past administration. The problem is the Congress' spending habits have outpaced the growth in tax revenues. What we really need to control is our spending.
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I can remember back in the 80s my dad used to get at least a 10% raise every year. Nowadays we are lucky if we get 2 or 3% a year. The justification for the lower raises has always been that inflation was much higher in the 80s, but in the past year alone the cost of nearly everything has skyrocketed but we're still getting the same measly raises. It's definitely harder to get your salary higher these days. I haven't looked for a job in a long time, but a friend of mine who was looking last year came across several that had more responsibility than his current job, but the pay was also significantly lower.
Your pay is directly related to your willingness to have an increase in salary. If your boss doesn't give you a raise, you either didn't do enough to convince him/her that you're worth it or they can't financially afford it. Either way, if you really need that raise, you should find a company that is willing to pay you the money that you want. If you don't, then you have traded that increase in raise for something you feel is more important.
True...to a point...
In your area of Cali, that may be the case now and for a long while..
or may not be (for most) at some point..
what's happening though...(for the majority, remember we're talkin HUGE country) is there are so many very skilled people out in the work force willing to take less in pay to do more in lower level jobs..
yes survival of the fittest...but once again that widens the gap between rich and "middle class"...and lord knows where the "poor" even falls..if anywhere...
I'm NOT a "dooms- dayer" dude...
but there are only so many 100k+ jobs out there (compared to how many are in the work force)...
So yes...some can , will and get more...
but that is a few and of course the strongest (which more power to them and you)..
but for a "healthy country" that's NOT what we're talkin' about..
unfortunatly! :(
My own story....
too many talented artist coming out of art school willing to make under 1/2 of what I made...and they are more eager and willing...and they are first time employed artists...so what seems like a good salary was robbery...and even after YEARS of raises they wouldn't get close to my salary...
now why would they pay me twice as much...and get 1/2 the work that the 2 new folks could do?
THAT is what is and will be the reality...for most..
I was just smart enough to bail on my terms and when things were cool.....the had major, major slash and burn right after I left...and VERY talented artist at that!
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Your pay is directly related to your willingness to have an increase in salary. If your boss doesn't give you a raise, you either didn't do enough to convince him/her that you're worth it or they can't financially afford it. Either way, if you really need that raise, you should find a company that is willing to pay you the money that you want. If you don't, then you have traded that increase in raise for something you feel is more important.
The problem is that in large companies, raises are pretty much out of the hands of individual managers -- no matter how good your performance appraisal is, the amount of your raise is mandated at a corporate level. And that's pretty much the case with most large companies, in my experience.
To find a company that pays significantly more, I'd probably have to be wiling to relocate or do a lot of traveling, which I'm not willing to do at this point. So I guess you're right -- those are examples of trading the raise for other priorities. :)
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Actually, if you will look at just the recent history, every time that tax rates have been cut, it has spurred economic growth and resulted in a growth of tax revenues. This has happened during the 80's and during the past administration. The problem is the Congress' spending habits have outpaced the growth in tax revenues. What we really need to control is our spending.
The sad part about that is people spending the money and "making the growth"...didn't have the money to spend in the first place...
a LOT of people pay their bills with credit cards...a lot..and they don't pay off the balance every month..
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what's happening though...(for the majority, remember we're talkin HUGE country) is there are so many very skilled people out in the work force willing to take less in pay to do more in lower level jobs..
That is absolutely true. What I think may turn things around eventually, though, is when the baby boomers start to retire -- assuming of course, that they can still afford to do so :-\ . That's a lot of people that will be leaving the workforce and not as many people in the upcoming generations to replace them. That should hopefully open up some opportunities for the rest of us.
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The sad part about that is people spending the money and "making the growth"...didn't have the money to spend in the first place...
a LOT of people pay their bills with credit cards...a lot..and they don't pay off the balance every month..
And that is why spending needs to be brought under control -- at the national level and at the individual level.
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what's happening though...(for the majority, remember we're talkin HUGE country) is there are so many very skilled people out in the work force willing to take less in pay to do more in lower level jobs..
That is absolutely true. What I think may turn things around eventually, though, is when the baby boomers start to retire -- assuming of course, that they can still afford to do so :-\ . That's a lot of people that will be leaving the workforce and not as many people in the upcoming generations to replace them. That should hopefully open up some opportunities for the rest of us.
Yea...well my dad is 68 ,retired and still working...
the coinage from SS is not enough, so yea think people will be able to fully retire in any near future..
were talkin' most now?
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The sad part about that is people spending the money and "making the growth"...didn't have the money to spend in the first place...
a LOT of people pay their bills with credit cards...a lot..and they don't pay off the balance every month..
And that is why spending needs to be brought under control -- at the national level and at the individual level.
Ha! :*))
Ever you ever seen Cali ghetto rich?
Never gonna happen on either end my friend!
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Never gonna happen on either end my friend!
At some point it has to. Bills have to be paid sooner or later, whether we want to face it or not.
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Yea...well my dad is 68 ,retired and still working...
the coinage from SS is not enough, so yea think people will be able to fully retire in any near future..
were talkin' most now?
Yeah, my dad is 65 and still working. He plans to work for another couple of years. Right now he's doing OK because he's still getting a fulltime paycheck and pulling pensions from two previous jobs. But on the other hand, his stocks aren't worth sh*t right now, so who knows what's going to happen?
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I think we can all agree that these times are tough and everyone is going to have an opinion on how to fix it. I urge everyone to write their congressmen to let them know how you feel and what you think they should do. I also urge people to vote, either way you plan to vote, just do it. This doesn't just go for the President either; make sure you vote in every election for every level of government. Having the right local and state governments can often help get your voice heard in the federal government.
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No matter what side of the fence you're on...VOTE..! Alot of people fought and even gave their life for us to have that opportunity. Personally I believe if we don't vote we don't have a right to complain.