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Various Non-Bald Discussions => General Discussion => Topic started by: FR8TRAIN on August 16, 2008, 01:53:28 PM
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My little 8 year old has been bugging me recently for a dog.
He's the smaller guy in the photo below...
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He has been drawn to a couple of breeds. One is a Basenji...
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Known as the "Barkless" Dog of the Congo. I actually had a wonderful Basenji named Kato back in the day so I'm at least familiar with them.
The other breed is a Bulldog...
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Which I know several of my bald Brothers own. But I know absolutely nothing about them.
Now we do not have a fenced in yard of any sort. I expect to keep our new family member inside the house and walk them when ever they need to go out. They'll have their own crate where they will spend the night and any time that the house will be completely empty (not very often and not for more than 4-5 hours).
So what do you think? A Basenji, a Bulldog or some other breed?
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A lot depends on your lifestyle. Bulldogs tend to be pretty easy keepers. Just make sure you get one from a reputable breeder who shows his dogs to their championships and screens for genetic disorders. Stay away from newspaper ads, pet shops, and people who just breed their own pets to make money. Whatever breed you decide upon, go to the national breed club's website. They usually have breeders listed by geographic area. This is the best way to find a breeder who is bound by the club's code of ethics, as opposed to someone who's just out to make a quick buck.
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I'd avoid a dog that needs lots of exercise unless you really want your 8 year old to become a marathon runner when he's older (or you are willing to do lots). These types of dog can also get bored and destructive if left alone for long.
For that reason a Basenji may not be a smart move.
A bulldog would require less exercise. It isn't the sort of dog to chase a frisbee around a park for a long time so that may not appeal to an active child. I know a breeder of bulldogs and she says that they can be a bit stubborn and are not the easiest of breeds to train (although that is a generalisation).
Go to a reputable breeder of your candidates and ask them lots of questions. A decent breeder won't try to sell you a dog if they don't think it will be right for you becuase that will become a dog that needs to be rehomed in the future.
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Buy him a Cat..lol
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Smooth Coated Fox Terrier
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The #1 rated dog in the country. Labrador Retriever.
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aaaaw, well I can see where your little man gets his good looks! ;) :@`
Well I voted for other.. I've known people with bulldogs.. they do tend to suffer with breathing problems, regardless of what line they come from but they're also prone to heart problems too.
I know nothing about the other dog you mentioned.. completely ignorant on that matter in fact,
but I would like to recommend to you either an english cocker spaniel...
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or an english springer spaniel
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obviously like all dogs they have their good and bad points, but spaniels from pups are absolutely fabulous
with kids daaahlin' ;) One little pooch that I've wanted ever since I was a nipper.
you should have a little look into all the breeds that are suggested to you, just to give you
more of an idea.
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Good luck fr8 my lovely in choosing!
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The #1 rated dog in the country. Labrador Retriever.
I reckon that's the #1 rated dog in the world Tom, Labbies are great dogs :)
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I tried to find a current picture of my dog, but in searching I found this:
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He's now 66kg. He eats quite a lot and vet treatment costs purely because of the quantity of any drugs involved. He is extremely strong and a brilliant guard dog.
He's stubborn, willful and very territorial. He is also extremely gentle with our children and very loyal. Whilst I don't believe he'd ever hurt my family intentionally he is very clumsy, and when defending his home he forgets about the smaller members of the family and has been known to knock a child over at times.
I would NOT recommend a bullmastiff as a dog for a child (or small adult) or an inexperienced dog owner.
I just thought it was a cute picture and I'd share it.
Labs and spaniels are great dogs but need a fair amount of exercise.
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I tried to find a current picture of my dog, but in searching I found this:
Labs and spaniels are great dogs but need a fair amount of exercise.
nowhere near as much as a bloody border collie!! (fr8, take note, do not get a bc!)
Sheeesh! I have taken my dog out for hours.. and though I've almost killed her getting her to swim in the
sea and run around like a nutter on the beach... (and at times I've thought I've knackered her out so much she's gonna collapse) the moment we get home that damn ball is back
in her mouth and she is waiting by the back door! lol
Fr8... get a chihuahua! :D
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Hey FR8!
You might want to consider adopting a good ol Heinz 57 from the animal shelter.(https://www.slybaldguys.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs325.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk394%2Fbuuckkweet%2Fth_Buster.jpg&hash=d56707043fdbf4a2de09995043452bd75e52ce64)
For being an ankle biter, He's pretty cool! O0
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Hey FR8!
You might want to consider adopting a good ol Heinz 57 from the animal shelter.(https://www.slybaldguys.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs325.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk394%2Fbuuckkweet%2Fth_Buster.jpg&hash=d56707043fdbf4a2de09995043452bd75e52ce64)
For being an ankle biter, He's pretty cool! O0
Believe me BW that's not out of the question. I am an avid dog lover. Some people say I have a way with dogs of all breeds. IMO some of the best K9 friends come from the local shelter. I currently volunteer my spare time, what little I have, to the county animal shelter. Occasionally my son comes with me and I'm sure that is where all of this interest is coming from. I just wanted to get some input from some of the best people on this rock. So thanks all of you. Keep it coming cause I'm sharing it with the wee one.
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I really Like Basenji dogs... We used to have a neighbor with one. They are REALLY cool and sweet. the do like to run and exercise alot, but also can be good snugglers.
I have a PUG. He's a great dog and I couldn't live without him.
We also have a German Shep. Also a great dog. BUT BIG! 100+ pounds
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a labrador ;)
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I had the same situation. My 2 boys begged for a dog for years. It was just this past May that a coworker found a terrier that needed a home. He has quickly become part of the family. However, we are still working on the housebreaking.
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Both breeds that you are looking into would be a good choice, but I admit that my knowledge of the Besenji breed is very limited. I am an proud American Boxer owner, but I would not compare them to English Bull. I have a couple of friends that have one or two, and they all LOVE theirs. I will tell you that if you get an English Bull, you will have to wash and clean those deep folds of skin, they have a tendency to become infected. They also are very strong, almost from the word go. Given their unusual strength, and combine that with their mass and low center of gravity, and them add on top all the muscle that they have, if they decide to go in a direction that you don't want them to go (until they get trained) they will give your arms and legs a serious work out. They have a great amount of personality and become very attached to all members of the family. They snore........ :P
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A lot depends on your lifestyle. Bulldogs tend to be pretty easy keepers. Just make sure you get one from a reputable breeder who shows his dogs to their championships and screens for genetic disorders. Stay away from newspaper ads, pet shops, and people who just breed their own pets to make money. Whatever breed you decide upon, go to the national breed club's website. They usually have breeders listed by geographic area. This is the best way to find a breeder who is bound by the club's code of ethics, as opposed to someone who's just out to make a quick buck.
Excellent stuff right there, Razor !!! .... SPOT ON !!
We got our bulldog from a reputable breeder/shower of bulldogs. She hits the road with her bullies. So she knows her sh*t and loves the bullies.
Our guy, "Jimmy" was in many of her shows and comes with a certified champeen bloodline O0
Anyway, didn't mean to start pontificating about our bullie....but you are RIGHT ON and good advice for Fr8.
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Both breeds that you are looking into would be a good choice, but I admit that my knowledge of the Besenji breed is very limited. I am an proud American Boxer owner, but I would not compare them to English Bull. I have a couple of friends that have one or two, and they all LOVE theirs. I will tell you that if you get an English Bull, you will have to wash and clean those deep folds of skin, they have a tendency to become infected. They also are very strong, almost from the word go. Given their unusual strength, and combine that with their mass and low center of gravity, and them add on top all the muscle that they have, if they decide to go in a direction that you don't want them to go (until they get trained) they will give your arms and legs a serious work out. They have a great amount of personality and become very attached to all members of the family. They snore........ :P
Yep....all accurate about the bullies !!! We absolutely love ours and he is the sweetheart of sweethearts....VERY friendly to everyone....to the point where they are NOT good watch dogs.
Very loyal and loving....they love to be around the family....when I'm doing miscellaneous around the house he's always at my feet...
Snore?.....OMG...like you wouldn't believe !!!
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I really like the shelter mutt idea myself O0
stay away from the rat terriors unless you like having a superball bouncing off the walls all day :*))
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I had a samoyed when I was a kid. I've had several dogs afterward but none as nice as that dog. It had such a great disposition, yet was still very protective when necessary.
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A mutt from the shelter is by far the best. Beagles are also great around kids.
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I have two Shih Tzus and a Boston Terrier...all great dogs. the Boston is a great dog.... goofy, loyal, lovable, great with my kids. He is a little hard headed though.... he was prettyeasy to house train.
Razor gave great advice....... I did Greyhound rescue for about 7 or 8 years and all of Razor's advisewas spot on.
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Description: The Basenji is a handsome, short, muscular dog who is also known as the African Barkless Dog. "Basenji" means "bush thing" in African dialect. They should not bark, but they are not mute. Basenjis repertoire of sounds range from a pleasing throaty crow to a keening wail made when they are lonely or unhappy. Basenjis are often compared to small deer because of their grace, intelligence and beauty. They are about the size of a Fox Hound, and very proud. One of the oldest breeds of dogs, they are native to Africa where they are used to assist beaters in flushing game out, which are then driven into nets strung up against trees. These dogs were highly prized in Central Africa for their intelligence, silence, speed and hunting power. The Basenji has a short, fine coat that tends to become more course in colder countries, but without losing its gleam. Wrinkled on the forehead, they also have a curly tail that swirls to one side of their body. Known to be much like cats, Basenjis will sometimes clean themselves by licking all over, and are said to be nearly odorless. Basenjis will make good pets as long as they are handled on a regular basis from an early age.
Other Names: Congo Dog, Congo Bush Dog, Congo Terrier, Bongo Dog, African Barkless Dog, African Bush Dog, Zande Dog, Belgian Congo Dog, Nyam Nyam Terrier.
Type: Sighthound and Pariah
Height: Females: 16 inches; Males 17 inches.
Weight: Females: 21 lbs; Males: 24 lbs.
Colors: Black, red, black and tan. There is always white on the chest, feet and tail tips.
Coat: Smooth, short-haired, fine, silky coat. Coarser coat in colder countries.
Temperament: Basenjis are intelligent, independent, affectionate but alert. Basenjis are playful, inquisitive, and active. Sometimes aloof with strangers.
With Children: Yes, if properly socialized and supervised.
With Pets: Yes, if properly socialized and supervised; same sex aggression is common.
Special Skills: Does not bark, flushes out prey for hunters, and is very intelligent in which training comes easy.
Watch-dog: High. Depends on dog and owner attentiveness; doesn’t bark to alert. If you are a stranger, you should not approach Basenjis from behind.
Guard-dog: Low.
Care and Training: Comb or brush the Basenjis smooth coat and bathe when necessary. Daily exercise will prevent obesity. House training comes easily as they are naturally clean creatures. Basenjis clean themselves like cats, and have virtually no doggy odor. Basenjis will sometimes use destruction as amusement when left to themselves, and should be trained carefully not to do so.
Special Needs: Fenced in living environment, an activity or job to do.
Learning Rate: High. Rewards-based training produces best results.
Activity: High
Living Environment: Indoor or outdoor dog that does best with a fenced yard and lots of exercise. Curiosity may cause them to wander if left off leash or in an unfenced area.
Health Issues: Anemia, hernias, hip dysplasia, Kidney problems, PRA (Progressive Retinal Atrophy), thyroid problems.
Life Span: 12-14 years
Litter Size: 6. Female Basenjis usually only have one season a year which will last up to 30 days between August and November.
Country of Origin: Zaire and the Congo (Central Africa)
History: The earliest samples of these dogs were given as gifts to Pharaohs of ancient Egypt. Basenji-type dogs are depicted on the tombs of Egyptian pharaohs and date back to early 3600 B.C. Many details of their origins are unclear, but the Basenji is thought to have come from a purebred dog used by the Pygmies for hunting in the Congo. A pair of Basenjis were taken to England by an explorer in 1895, but unfortunately fell ill to distemper and soon died. In 1937 the Basenji was introduced successfully into England, and around the same time Mrs. Byron Rogers of New York City brought a pair of them to America. A litter of puppies was born, but unfortunately all died due to distemper except for Mrs. Rogers' older male, Bois. A female Basenji named Congo was then brought to the United States from Africa in 1941 by Alexander Phemster of Massachusetts, and soon the two Basenjis produced the first litter of Basenjis to be born in America and live. Soon other Basenjis were imported from England and Canada, and the breed grew in size and popularity in America.
First Registered by the AKC: 1944
AKC Group: Hound
Class: Hound
Registries: AKC, ANKC, CKC, FCI, UKC, TKC (Group 5), KC (GB)
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Description: Known as the national symbol of Great Britain, the characteristics of a perfect Bulldog are medium size, smooth coat, heavy, thick-set, low-swung body, massive short-faced head, wide shoulders, smaller hips and sturdy limbs. Bred down from aggressive behavior to loving and friendly disposition, Bulldogs are an ideal pet as they love to be in the company of their family. They adore children and make an excellent companion to them because of their gentle, yet sometimes stubborn nature. Bulldogs are laid-back, loyal good natured and undemanding companion who would make a great companion for the elderly as well. It would be difficult to find a dog more mellow than the English Bulldog. They do tend to drool and wheeze, and they may snore. Bulldogs can also be humorous, even comical which add to their charm. Some are known to have chronic flatulence. They have the jutted jaw of the original Bulldogs, yet the smaller body and happy personality that the previous did not retain. Bulldogs have been bred from fighting dogs and bull-baiters to friendly happy companions. They are quiet, loving, and gentile. They tend to snort and wheeze a lot due to breathing difficulties. They love to take naps and be lazy, although exercise should be in their weekly regimen. Bulldogs cannot handle a lot of physical activity or a lot of heat, as they may overheat easily. They also can not swim and should not be near an area they can accidentally fall into a body of water. They are likeable, loveable, and have sweet dispositions.Show English Bulldog
Other Names: English Bulldog
Type: Companion Dog
Height: 12 - 16 inches.
Weight: Females: 40 - 50 lbs.; Males: 50 - 55 lbs.
Colors: Uniform color or with a black mask or muzzle; reds, red brindle, piebald, other brindles, red-fawn or yellow; or black, which is undesirable. They can be solid white, or any of these colors on a white background.
Coat: Short, smooth, close, and finely textured.
Temperament: Bulldogs are affectionate, docile, and reliable. They can be stubborn at times, but are very friendly and loving. They have mellow personalities, and can be quite comical. They are husky, gentle and good-natured. They are jovial, amiable, and willing to please. Courageous and capable of powerful strength, they are sometimes cantankerous with other dogs.
With Children: Bulldogs are wonderful with children, they love a low-key romp with the kids in the backyard. They are loving and friendly, and make excellent playmates, although not the fastest dog in the world.
With Pets: Yes, but may get aggressive towards other animals when food is present. They are generally good with other animals, except some dogs that may provoke a fight.
Watch-dog: Very low. Bulldogs are slow and cumbersome.
Guard-dog: High. Bulldogs can and will fight if the need be.
Care and Training: Regular brushing of the Bulldogs' coat with a rough cloth and minimal exercise is needed. Care should be taken not to over feed the Bulldog, as they can be quite lazy and already heavy-set. Bulldogs would also prefer not to take any exercise, and therefore must be exercised minimally, making sure they get it but not overworking them. Special care to powder their fold and wrinkles and under their tail during hot weather, although hot weather is unsuitable for the Bulldog. Bulldogs should not be over exerted in hot weather. The folds of their cheeks should be cleaned daily and baths given when needed. Bulldogs do not make a good dog for the obedience enthusiast.
Learning Rate: Low. They can be stubborn. Intelligent, but uncomplicated.
Activity: Indoors very low, they do not take to exercise as often as they should, possibly because of breathing difficulties. Outdoor activity is low.
Special Needs: Protection from the heat, socialization, training, wrinkle cleaning on the face.
Living Environment: Indoor - outdoor arrangement in a temperate climate. Does not do well in extreme weather conditions, especially heat. Should not be around an area that they could fall into a body of water easily, as they can not swim. The best owner for a Bulldog would be a family or elderly person in country, suburban or city environment. Bulldogs are suitable for apartment living.
Health Issues: Bulldogs have been bred smaller and more compact, creating many health problems. They are very susceptible to overheating, itchy skin, allergies, difficulty breathing, brachycephalic syndrome, eye problems and reproductive problems. Due to the prized wide chest and small hips that show rings emphasize, many puppies must be born Caesarean section because they cannot fit through the birth canal. Other health concerns include elongated soft palate, small trachea, heart problems, hip dysplasia, shoulder luxation and internalized tail.
Life Span: 8 - 12 years
Litter Size: 4 puppies.
Country of Origin: Great Britain
History: The term "Bulldog" was originally created to describe any dog that shared the same qualities of a dog who fought bulls in bull-baiting. As the story goes, bull-baiting began in the 13th century in England, when Lord Stamford of Lincolnshire saw a couple dogs "baiting" a butcher's bull. Lord Stamford was so entertained that he had a field reserved for bull-baiting in order that the butcher provide their own dogs. Bull meat was said to taste better if it had been baited before it was butchered. The dogs were also put into the fighting ring with other dogs, in the sport of dog-fighting. They would even take on other animals such as bulls, bears, badgers, lions and monkeys in the ring. After 1835 when bull-baiting was outlawed, the Bulldog had depleted its use. But thanks to their popularity already and the help of Bill George, an avid breeder, the Bulldog maintained its status. The only difference now was that they were bred for personality, not fighting ability. The Bulldog continued on and became more and more friendly and amiable, rather than fierce and aggressive. In 1891 the London Bulldog Society was formed, and still has meetings at the Crufts Dog Show. Bulldogs roots are firmly planted in British soil, being mentioned in many written works in English history as well as being a national icon for Britain. Shakespeare refers to the breed in King Henry, VI. The breed was bred down to become smaller than it originally was. Now breeders concentrate on developing their non-ferocious traits, which actually has led to a lot of health problems. Bulldogs can not swim, can not go on long walks, and can be in danger in the heat. They have been bred to have such wide collar bones and chests that they often cannot fit through the birth canal when being born, and therefore must have Caesarian sections performed. The Bulldog is now a popular show dog and pet around the world.
First Registered by the AKC: 1934
AKC Group: Non-Sporting
Class: Non-Sporting
Registries: AKC, CKC, FCI (Group 2), KC (GB)
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The most important thing you can do when trying to decide on a breed of dog, is to talk to reputable breeders and find out what the breed is like to live with. A reputable breeder will tell you all of the breed's good points and bad points -- and will probably emphasize the bad points. If you're not scared off, then they'll go on to the good points. :)
The web can be a valuable research tool but bear in mind the breed information is usually superficial and often paints too rosy a picture.
If you don't have your heart set on a particular breed, then adopting a mutt from the pound, as others have suggested, is a great idea -- provided you can find the kind of dog you want there. It's sometimes easier said than done, depending on what part of the country you are in. Here in the northeast, most of the shelter dogs tend to be pit bull mixes.
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also FR8..... since I did greyhound rescue for all those years and they are sight hounds, as are basenjis, i am qualified to say this. Sight hounds generally have some unique characteristics that you should know about. read up on the breed. Nothing bad mind you...... I LOVE sight hounds.
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For that matter, greyhounds make very good pets. They are pretty low-maintenance as dogs go.
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First I want to thank all of you for your input into this decision.
That being said, we got our new companion yerterday! He is an older dog (approx. 6 years old) and a rescue. His name is Niles and he came from NOLA. He seems to be part Basenji, Rat Terrier and Chihuahua. He weighs 18 lbs. and is about 17" tall at the shoulder.
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He is extremely well behaved and gets along with my son Parker very well. :@`
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And amazingly I don't need to have him on a leash (though I do keep him on one) as he follows me everywhere and comes on command if he wanders. I couldn't have trained a more well behaved dog myself. How fortunate we are to have him and I'm pretty sure he feels the same. O0
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I would like to congratulate you on getting a new member to your family.............
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I would like to congratulate you on getting a new member to your family.............
Thanks.
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Reminds me of my dog that I got when I was about 4 years old. He lived to be about 17 years old. I miss the ol pooch. His name was Snoopy! LOL
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Gongrats on the new member to the FR8TRAIN family! Good looking dog! O0
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cool fortrain O0
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Congratulations and kudos for rescuing this boy. Be careful about leaving the choker collar on him when he's not on leash. The rings or the tags can get snagged and cause a nasty accident.
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Congrats fr8, he's a real cute little thing :)
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Congratulations and kudos for rescuing this boy. Be careful about leaving the choker collar on him when he's not on leash. The rings or the tags can get snagged and cause a nasty accident.
Yeah. It's being replaced today.
Congrats fr8, he's a real cute little thing :)
Thanks MB! ^-^ Oh, your talking about the dog...well thanks again. ;):-*>:D
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Well done, Fr8. Great looking dog! Plus, Niles is a great name!
Our dog was a rescue project and we couldn't be happier. I'm amazed at how many people we know spend $$$$ on a dog they have nothing but problems with. If I had an extra $20k laying around, I'd consider cloning our Miko.
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Congrats on the new family member FR8! And a big tip of the hat to you for adopting an older dog. Anyone who has done rescue knows that the older the dog, the tougher he/she is to adopt out!!!
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Well done, Fr8.
Our dog was a rescue project and we couldn't be happier. I'm amazed at how many people we know spend $$$$ on a dog they have nothing but problems with.
Congrats on the new family member FR8! And a big tip of the hat to you for adopting an older dog. Anyone who has done rescue knows that the older the dog, the tougher he/she is to adopt out!!!
That is a fact Schro, Mike. We focused on an older dog mainly because we found that older dogs are more dificult to place and often are euthanized long before their lives are complete. Since I am extremely good with dogs (some people have called me a Dog Whisperer O0) and have trained many in my lifetime, this guy should be a breeze. He already knows several commands and has a deep desire to please. He is such a great find!
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Don't ya' wish women were like that????
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The #1 rated dog in the country. Labrador Retriever.
I was going to suggest a Lab too