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Various Non-Bald Discussions => Autos,Toys and Hobbies => Topic started by: JDog on April 25, 2008, 08:30:41 PM
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Hello fellow chrome domes..(TM Warhawk)...As I know we have quite a few people on SBG who enjoy firearms(myself included) however as I have not lived in the USA for a few years and have plans of returning in the next few, I was wondering if anyone could fill me in how to purchase a legal handgun.
I know it varies from state to state, but I am interested in purchasing a handgun and getting a Concealment Carry license?What are the proper procedures for aquiring this? Does one need to have a handgun license?
Any info or help would be appreciated.
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Some states are pretty easy as far as buying handguns but as far as a concealed carry permit is concerned that might be a little tough.
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Go to this site. http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/
Click on the state you are interested in and it will give you the gun laws for that state. Gun laws can vary greatly for each state.
I have my concealed weapons permit in Florida. Florida has very good gun laws.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Jdog,
I just remembered what you posted on the other gun thread.
Pretty offensive thing to say Stang, not everyone in the world has a deep maddening desire to arm themselves to the teeth.
Did you have a change of heart? I hope you did, I think every good citizen who is mentally and physically capable of defending themselves should.
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Jdog,
I just remembered what you posted on the other gun thread.
Pretty offensive thing to say Stang, not everyone in the world has a deep maddening desire to arm themselves to the teeth.
Did you have a change of heart? I hope you did, I think every good citizen who is mentally and physically capable of defending themselves should.
Stang you make a very valid point, and I should have explained myself better. I am 100% supportive of people being able to own and carry guns. It is a right granted by the US Constitution, however I also support peoples decision not to have them as well. Some countries,like England and Australia, have pretty strict gun control laws and dont allow their citizens to own them, thus people feel differently than you and I about the use and rights of gun ownership. I was just acknowledging it thats all. I apologize if I offended.
Thanks for the information too Stang. This helps out immensley. Looks like in my home state there is no license or permit required to purchase a handgun. Concealment Carry licenses,while a still a serious matter, not to be taken lightly, are reasonably easy to get as I am a law abiding citizen with no criminal record. Seems in the State of Ohio it is illegal to carry your handgun in any place of worship. I will PM you if I have any specific questions. Thanks again.
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JDog,
Here's another site to look at: http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Many states don't consider you a resident for 6 month after which you can legally purchase a firearm.
Once you settle on the state you'll be residing in, I can hook you up with a few places to get specific CCW information relevant to that state. O0
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Jdog,
I just remembered what you posted on the other gun thread.
Pretty offensive thing to say Stang, not everyone in the world has a deep maddening desire to arm themselves to the teeth.
Did you have a change of heart? I hope you did, I think every good citizen who is mentally and physically capable of defending themselves should.
Stang you make a very valid point, and I should have explained myself better. I am 100% supportive of people being able to own and carry guns. It is a right granted by the US Constitution, however I also support peoples decision not to have them as well. Some countries,like England and Australia, have pretty strict gun control laws and dont allow their citizens to own them, thus people feel differently than you and I about the use and rights of gun ownership. I was just acknowledging it thats all. I apologize if I offended.
Thanks for the information too Stang. This helps out immensley. Looks like in my home state there is no license or permit required to purchase a handgun. Concealment Carry licenses,while a still a serious matter, not to be taken lightly, are reasonably easy to get as I am a law abiding citizen with no criminal record. Seems in the State of Ohio it is illegal to carry your handgun in any place of worship. I will PM you if I have any specific questions. Thanks again.
I was never offended, I just was unsure of your position on the topic. You're welcome to PM me if you have any questions.
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Let me give you an example. In Kennesaw, GA back in 1982 they passed a law requiring every head of household to own a firearm with ammo (some exceptions exist). The year after it passed crime dropped 89% and it has stayed that low from then on.
Murderers, robbers, rapists, etc. all have one thing in common. They don't want to be shot. The residence of Kennesaw never went out in the streets shooting to get the crime rate to drop. It's the law breakers knowing that their potential victim has the means to defend themselves that prevented the crimes.
If you notice on the news the public shootings that occur the most are in gun free zones. Why? because the shooters like to go where the government gives them a gurantee their victims won't shoot back.
You mentioned what about innocent people getting shot by accident. That is a possability. This is something the victim has to take into account before drawing their weapon and before pulling the trigger. Having a concealed weapon doesn't mean I have to use it in every situation, but I sure like to have that option available to me when some nut is shooting people one at a time in point blank range.
You brought up the example of the church shooting. If the victim had not shot the attacker there would have been more innocent people killed in that situation. I don't know how anyone could criticize that. I know the people who were not attacked that would have been are very grateful.
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LOL...in a fight or flight situation most people couldn't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn and if the bad guy gets the jump on you your brand new expensive hand gun is going away with him and into the blackmarket.
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LOL...in a fight or flight situation most people couldn't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn and if the bad guy gets the jump on you your brand new expensive hand gun is going away with him and into the blackmarket.
Valid point, but most people I know who have a CCW are very experienced with firearms. Some of them are even former law enforcement. They won't draw their weapon unless they are absolutely sure the situation warrants it, and they can make a difference by doing so.
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Then group of whom you speak represent a very small percentage of the whole.
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LOL...in a fight or flight situation most people couldn't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn and if the bad guy gets the jump on you your brand new expensive hand gun is going away with him and into the blackmarket.
Valid point, but most people I know who have a CCW are very experienced with firearms. Some of them are even former law enforcement. They won't draw their weapon unless they are absolutely sure the situation warrants it, and they can make a difference by doing so.
I'm with Tom Gallagher!
When I was a cop I remember reading about a national police shotgun champion who responded to a call of an armed robbery in progress. Upon arrival he exchanged shots with the offenders and fired at their getaway car, with the shotgun. Not only did he not hit any of the offenders but he missed the car as well. WITH A SHOTGUN!
Point is, to be proficient with a handgun, a person must make practice an obsession. Any shooting situation, whether shots are fired or not, creates tremendous stress in the mind and body which results in things like shaking hands, tunnel vision, and others.....all of which affect the ability to place shots on target. If you look at the amount of practicing that people in the military or law enforcement do to become and remain proficient with firearms, the average person doesn't have the time, money, or desire to achieve that level of proficiency. As an ex-cop, IMO, if a person does not have the ability or the desire to make themselves into that type of shooter there's no way that they will be anything but trouble in a hot situation. He/she is just one more person with a gun that the cops have to deal with. This is particularly true in urban settings, like what I come from, where there are always other unintended targets in the background and lots of unfortunate places for errant shots to make impact. This is something that is real easy to remember when it's time to test for a CCW because it makes sense. But when a mofo is trying to shoot you or slash you because you, as a CCW holder, have made a decision to intercede in someone else's troubles, and your whole world comes down to you and that person and their desire to make you become dead all your classroom bu!!sh*t goes right out the window because the situation that you now find yourself embroiled in doesn't make sense.
Most of the time in shooting situations the biggest difference that an honest, upright, taxpayer-type person will make, even when they are 100% right in what they've done, is to find themselves on the receiving end of a Violation of Due Process lawsuit. What this means is when the no account, dope dealing, drive-by shooting gang-banger makes it "necessary" for the civilian holder of a CCW (or a cop, for that matter) to put the required punch in his ticket, that the alienated family of the aforementioned scumbag will now sue your a$$ for depriving their baby of his Constitutional right to a fair trial with a jury of his peers. And the legal fees incurred will be the only thing that you have to show for your well intentioned efforts when it is all over. That, and the memory of what it felt like to kill somebody.
I'm not saying that people should not be allowed to own and legally cary firearms. What I AM saying is that before I get any fantasies in my head about being the subject of a movie about what a hero I am because I chose to involve myself in gunplay in public that I damn well better understand what lays in store for me once I pull the trigger. Because that's not the end of the situation, it's just the beginning.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
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very good points buddha. i thought about getting my concealed permit for awhile. but it just seems like it could be more of a hassle cause there is always that fear of having to use your weapon. i am all for guns and think we should all carry one (kinda like the old west days.) but noone knows how they would react in a situation until they are put into it. and that is too late to figure out what to do. maybe if there was more training before getting a concealed permit? but that would still not help much in the crisis situation. i know cops that would probably panic in a gun fight. time at the shooting range can only do so much.
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Great points guys.
I see owning a gun as more than protection and really only in the event of someone or something threatening my family in some way would I want to use a gun for protection, and even then It would be quite a last resort. I have also checked into the CCW thing and I have no desire nor do I see any point in roaming the streets of Washington strapped.
At home however, I think a gun is a handy thing to have for the home invasion, natural disaster, or other type of large scale devastation that would require a certain amount of marshal law. The armed burglar pouncing on you in the middle of the night seems to be the scale as to which handgun ownership is judged when there are millions of scenarios that offer time to grab a weapon, load and prepare... in those cases, I will take a .45 over the Louisville Slugger any day. There is a lot to be said for the mere sound of a shotgun loading ... if you hear something downstairs and stand at the top with a shotgun and just load it, that sound alone is going to make a thief think twice about the "true" value of the DVD player.
When camping or adventuring in the outdoors a gun can be handy as well. I would prefer to have a gun than not in a survival situation.
I do see it as my civic duty that if I am to own guns I am to know how to operate and shoot the gun(s) efficiently and to remain practiced.
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the way I see it there should be tougher training involved with getting any sort of carry permit, I know in FL its easy any jacka$$ can sit through the class and take a test, but that doesn't teach you what to do in a real life situation. If it wasn't for the training I've had there was a time when I would have killed my best friend, its a long story but due to my training I knew not to just pull my weapon and start shooting, but to KNOW what I'm getting into first. I know some state might be a little tougher but I think before anyone carries they need major situation training and time on a range so they know how and what to shoot.
As far a carry permits go I think concealed carry permits are dangorous I think it should be open carry like, I think its AZ or NM that has open carry. If the guns are being carried out in the open(old west style) there is no guessing whos who and whats what.
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Home protection=12 gauge shotgun.
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Home protection=12 gauge shotgun.
I've got the same alarm system!
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My home security system is a piece of large gauge fishing line tied to my sliding door which is in turn attached to a pin on a fixed M67 frag grenade.
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Well, so much for staying on topic :D :D :x!
You guys- a shotgun is not a handgun :/O unless you saw the barrel down to amost nothing, and then you have a directional frag grenade. :Xo!
Also, a frag grenade should only be on a fishing line, if... YOU'RE FISHING! O0 TA-DA!!!
(I see this thread going in a strange direction; like the sheet marks. :*)) :*)) )
BTW, those info links on the states are awesome, guys!
Now, riddle me this: which states honor other states concealed carry permits? Also, if you could get more than one state's permit (that's a clue- 'cause you can), which one(s) would you legally get, as an out of state person? ^-^
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My home security system is a piece of large gauge fishing line tied to my sliding door which is in turn attached to a pin on a fixed M67 frag grenade.
Why not use a Claymore Jesse. That would really do the job.
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Not only saw the barrel off but the stock also. Talk about a concealed carry weapon.
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I'm 100% in support of the right to bear arms (or what the heck, arm bears...make it an even fight). However, I've never given any consideration to owning a gun. Just not my gig.
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Now, riddle me this: which states honor other states concealed carry permits? Also, if you could get more than one state's permit (that's a clue- 'cause you can), which one(s) would you legally get, as an out of state person? ^-^
Right here: http://www.nraila.org/recmap/Recguide.pdf
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the way I see it there should be tougher training involved with getting any sort of carry permit, I know in FL its easy any jacka$$ can sit through the class and take a test, but that doesn't teach you what to do in a real life situation. If it wasn't for the training I've had there was a time when I would have killed my best friend, its a long story but due to my training I knew not to just pull my weapon and start shooting, but to KNOW what I'm getting into first. I know some state might be a little tougher but I think before anyone carries they need major situation training and time on a range so they know how and what to shoot.
As far a carry permits go I think concealed carry permits are dangorous I think it should be open carry like, I think its AZ or NM that has open carry. If the guns are being carried out in the open(old west style) there is no guessing whos who and whats what.
Nomad, just out of curiosity, when you were in the situation with your best friend, was there any kind of controlled substance involved? I mean, everybody gets angry, but the only way I'd kill somebody is if they were threatening my family/friends/myself, or ANYBODY that wasn't able to defend themselves. And at that point I wouldn't hesitate in the least to pull the trigger... And I don't mean a single shot or a double tap, I mean all the way to slide-lock. There is just no sense in letting the perp live to harass somebody else. In the great state of Florida, as you may already know, there is no duty to retreat law. Which means you don't have to try and run away before defending yourself. You can use force (including deadly force) at any place that you can legally be, not just your home/car....
As for your open carry thoughts, I think open carry is much more dangerous than concealed carry, for a few reasons.
1. Open carry would show the bad guys exactly who they can and can't mess with.
2. If you are out numbered and the bad guys are closer than 21 feet, they can be on you like white on rice AND kill you with your own openly carried gun, before you can take them out. Google "Dennis Teuller"
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You've touched on a passionate subject for me.
I am former military and I am also a certified NRA instructor. I conduct CCH classes as well as training in basic and advanced handgun, shotgun, rifle, personal protection (in the home and out of the home) as well as edged weapons.
When I purchased my first handgun back in the 80's in Pennsylvania, there was a considerable background check that involved lots of forms and the state contacting people I put down as referrals - as well as a nice waiting period.
Today, I live in Kansas. I can walk into a store that sells guns (or a gun show) and walk out with a handgun in 10 minutes - fill out the form - they call the info in - the background check is done via a computer - and you leave with your gun.
I fully support the right to bear arms and the second amendment. I also fully support those that do not wish to carry. And for the record, concealed carry is far better than open carry. Open carry instantly makes you a target for the BG's (Bad Guys). If someone is going to commit a violent crime with a gun/knife/etc. - and they see you with a gun strapped to your hip - they are going to take you out first.
Concealed carry is just that - concealed. You make sure you do not imprint (have your gun's shape visible through your clothing or concealment). It gives you a defensive edge when the BG does not know who is carrying.
Am I one of those crazy, paranoid, gun-nuts that feels the need to have an arsenal because the whole world is out to get me?? Heck no. Do I own guns - yes. Do I enjoy shooting? Yes. But I pray that I would NEVER have to use a gun or any weapon for that matter to take a human life - and the only way I would ever do such a thing is in defense of myself or my loved ones - or if I were in a situation where someone else was facing a life threatening situation.
As far as not being able to even aim during a situation where you would need to use a gun - this is very true. You get an adrenaline dump and 3/4 of your training goes out the window - you are running on adrenaline and instinct. This is why it is SO important to get proper training (the CCH classed give you zero training - they are just in place to cover the laws - let you know about force on force - and what you could be liable for legally). Train, train well, and practice, practice, practice. Practice until it becomes habit and instinct. And God forbid the time should ever come that you need to put your training and practice to use - but should it happen you are more likely to come out alive.
The top things I drill into my students heads are:
1. Safety - Never point the muzzle at anything you do not intend to kill.
2. Safety - Every gun is loaded. Most accidental shootings are done with "unloaded" guns. People think they are unloaded - Boom - someone is dead.
3. Safety - Never handle a gun or hand a gun to someone without making sure the chamber is cleared
4. Safety - Indexing - never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire.
5. Flash Front Sight - an important thing to remember. You will NOT have time to aim - you will be scared - your adrenaline will put you in fight or flight mode - Flash Front Sight - as long as you have the front sight on the target and squeeze the trigger you are going to hit what you are shooting at.
6. Know what is beyond - Know what is behind and around your target. Bullets can and will travel through your target and can kill or wound innocent bystanders.
7. Maintain a state of relaxed awareness - do not be a victim. Trust your instincts - if someone looks no good and makes your hair stand up on the back of your neck - trust that feeling and leave.
What I do not understand are the businesses that post the No Guns signs in their windows. The BG's are going to bring them in regardless of the sign. So in effect these people are saying that it is ok for the BG's to come in because no law abiding citizen with a CCH will be carrying. Interestingly enough, the largest convenience store chain in the state welcome people with CCH - they get robbed and shot at enough in the cities that they want some form of deterrent for the BG's.
And one more point to while I am on the subject - a knife is far more gruesome and deadly than a bullet wound from a handgun. The only advantage to a hangun is distance - it gives you a bigger reactionary gap. But make no mistake - I could share some ugly photos of what even a small knife can do....it's not pretty. And a person with a knife that is 30 feet away can close that distance in under 2 seconds.
Alrighty - no more soapbox for me. I just felt like sharing.
Thanks,
Matthew
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While reading through this thread, all I could think of is how most people view us Canadians as being the peaceful quiet neighbors to the north who don't have guns and are completely against them. Guns are a touchy subject for me, as I love them and there are many of us law abiding citizens here in Canada that own or want to own some. A lot of people think that it is completely against the law to own handguns here, but it is in fact to the contrary. There may be a lot of rules governing them here, but you can still own them, you just can't go to the supermarket to get your fruits and veggies 'packin heat' :*))
Here in Canada there actually are quite a lot of people who own guns legally and most don't know that. We do have a long standing joke here though among gun lovers though and the two major political parties, Conservatives who are against the gun registries and Liberals who are for completely banning guns altogether. I don't want to offend anyone by this at all and hope you all see it for it's humor.
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This is the actual result of the firearms registry here in Canada. Take a close look at this registration certificate! :*))
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Used to be something of a Street Fighting Man myself back in the day.....
But that's when bare knuckles was the end of it....nowadays....WATCH OUT !!!
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My home security system is a piece of large gauge fishing line tied to my sliding door which is in turn attached to a pin on a fixed M67 frag grenade.
Why not use a Claymore Jesse. That would really do the job.
How about a bouncing betty?