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Confidence and Success => Relationships/Dating => Topic started by: Tyler on December 10, 2006, 03:29:39 AM
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One of the most frustrating things that I can remember about being single and one that my single friends constantly remind me of is that a guy never knows where the women are so they can meet women. I know, you can always go to a bar, but how often do you actually meet a woman at the bar?
So, now that I'm married and I do things I would never have considered or even thought of doing when I was single, I'll let you in on some places that I wish I would have known about when I was single.
The Nail Salon: Stay with me on this one! This is how I thought of this topic. I was getting a pedicure with my wife today. If you're wondering why I did this (and actually admitting it), I completely understand. I get ingrown toe nails and after a year of convincing by my wife I tried a pedicure and to my surprise, I didn't get an ingrown toe nail afterward. Since I've started getting pedicures, I haven't had an ingrown toe nail. So, back to the women.
Everytime I walk into the nail salon I'm the only guy in there (I know, you're thinking DUH!). If there is another guy most likely he's only there to give his wife cash and head off somewhere until she calls to say she's done, or he's gay. Either way, the second all the women figure out that you're there to get a pedicure, all eyes are on you. Yep, every woman, young and old, is going to have the wheels turning trying to figure out what you're doing in their sanctuary. This is why you need to have confidence walking in to show that you're totally comfortable with yourself and why you're there. The women will smile at you, or gaze at you from behind their magazines, and some will even verbalize their disbelief. Act confident, they'll dig it. Get up in your chair, throw the massage function on, kick on the charm and see if you can strike up a conversation.
Today made me think of this topic because when I went in with my wife they took her over to the manicure station right when she walked in which left me solo in one of the waiting chairs waiting for a pedicure spot to open up. Well, this happened so quickly that none of the women in there knew I was with my wife and they all assumed I was by myself. I sat down and started reading my book, not paying attention to any of them (key point!) and I started to notice there was a lot of activity in the corner of my eye. When I looked almost all the women were looking at me, or hid behind thier magazine, and you could tell a couple of them had been talking about me. I just gave a sly grin 8) and a little nod to a couple of them and put my head back in my book. A couple minutes later I looked up again and 5 of the 7 women all gave me very big smiles. It was really humorous when it was time for me to take a seat at the pedicure spot (my wife was still getting a manicure). Literally, all the women watched my every move.; jaws to the floor. I just chuckled, plopped in the seat, put my feet in the water and started reading again. I mentioned to the lady that the bottom of my feet are ticklish and that it was in her best interest to avoid that area. That comment set off all the women and then they started talking about how they had all had that happen to them.
Anyways, though it may not be the manliest thing you can do, that's the reason it's a good place to meet women.
A few tips if you're going to try this.
Don't make it obvious that you're there to meet women. It's like anywhere else, the more you look desperate, the less likely you'll meet someone.
Take your own book or magazine. They don't keep guy's mags around.
Go on a Saturday afternoon, this is when they're busiest. Also, find a larger one so there's a potential of more women in there.
Don't ever stare at any of them women or look at their feet. They are there to try to make their feet pretty so they can show them off that night and the rest of the week.
If you have a wait, use the time to figure out the "routine" and what you need to do when you're up so you don't look like a complete idiot. Though, it may actually help you if you look like an idiot.
Grocery Store: Most single women don't eat out by themselves so they'll cook at home. In order to do this they have to shop. I've found the places like Whole Foods and other organic or upscale places have the best overall ratios. You may also want to try the store that's closer to apartments than houses since most single women probably don't live in big houses. Also, try going at lunch or in the early evening.
Yoga: I don't do yoga, but I've picked my wife up after her yoga class before and all it was walking out of the class was women.
Church: Now, I'm not saying to use church as a pickup joint, but if you haven't been in a while, you may want to start going again. The good Lord might introduce you to someone.
They key to all of it is that it's a numbers game. If you get infront of enough women, one's bound to like you eventually. Play it cool, be confident and strike up a conversation. If it doesn't go well, then you know what not to do next time.
If I end up in anymore places that have a good girl to guy ratio I'll post them up here. If you have any you'd like to share, then post them up as well.
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funny story T. i think you hit the nail on the head (NO PEDICURE PUN) when you said be confident. recently i have found that confidence is the key. if you give the impression that you don't care if you meet someone than you probably will. at least that works for me. but i just laugh and tell them that i am going home to my wife. heck they appreciate the honesty.
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Yes, Paul is actually right... confidence is the key to meeting women.
Another place to meet women is HAWAII!! Just had to throw that one in there... ;D (and on that note, I woke up this morning to an email from the woman that I met there on my last night!!!!!!!!) 8)
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hey rob .... if you keep rubbin in the fact that you just got back from hawaii, i am gonna have to come to chicago and kick yo......., drink beer with you.but only after it warms up. it is way to cold there now.
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You don't have to tell me it's too cold here right now... especially after spending 10 days in Hawaii!! :P :P :P :P
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mmmmmmmmmmm...beer
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Oh yeah, I forgot I was gonna also say that it seems you are irresistible to women once you're already in a relationship as well. Whether it is marriage, or a serious girlfriend. My take on that is that you show a lot of confidence while in a relationship. You have someone already and don't want anyone else, or need anyone. (So to speak)
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Oh yeah, I forgot I was gonna also say that it seems you are irresistible to women once you're already in a relationship as well. Whether it is marriage, or a serious girlfriend. My take on that is that you show a lot of confidence while in a relationship. You have someone already and don't want anyone else, or need anyone. (So to speak)
Yeah, that's very true.
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Of course there is always Barns & Noble.
There are always women there. Just grab a fancy looking book under your arm, walk up to her and say "so, you reading something?"
Seriously though, I have met a bunch of women there in the coffe section. There guard is totally down. The complete opposite of the bar scene. I have set the record for getting a number within a few minutes at the local Borders book store.
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Or ballroom dance class!
It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Why do you think I learned to dance?????
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Noner can dance? DAMN! No wonder he gets all the ladies
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Great additions Noner!
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Great idea, the dancing class. How can I take one without Mrs. Luethor finding out about it. When it comes to picking up women, she's the worst wingman in the world.
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Of course there is always Barns & Noble.
There are always women there. Just grab a fancy looking book under your arm, walk up to her and say "so, you reading something?"
Seriously though, I have met a bunch of women there in the coffe section. There guard is totally down. The complete opposite of the bar scene. I have set the record for getting a number within a few minutes at the local Borders book store.
Noner has a very good point. Coffee shop at the museum is also a good place - especially if you want to meet an artsy chick
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Don't know how y'all feel about eligible single moms...but I've noticed something quite extraordinary.....Chuck E. Cheese.
My wife and I take our kids there every so often and I have to be careful because I love my wife very much....but MAN can you get an eyeful!!! Lactating moms gushing out of their low-cut tank tops...BENDING OVER TO ATTEND TO THEIR LITTLE'NS :P.
Yeah there are the unkept married moms (you know...no makeup...just tryin' to cope)....but there's another element of moms that come in there looking H-O-T :o....just them and their little'n(s)
I'll leave it to you single guys to sort out who's actually eligible, but thought I'd pass on the observation.
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Don't know how y'all feel about eligible single moms...but I've noticed something quite extraordinary.....Chuck E. Cheese.
My wife and I take our kids there every so often and I have to be careful because I love my wife very much....but MAN can you get an eyeful!!! Lactating moms gushing out of their low-cut tank tops...BENDING OVER TO ATTEND TO THEIR LITTLE'NS :P.
Yeah there are the unkept married moms (you know...no makeup...just tryin' to cope)....but there's another element of moms that come in there looking H-O-T :o....just them and their little'n(s)
I'll leave it to you single guys to sort out who's actually eligible, but thought I'd pass on the observation.
The only problem with Chuck E. Cheese, is that a single guy walks in there (by himself or with some wingmen) looks a little weird... Grown men hanging out with the mouse... Personally, I think it sends the wrong message!
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The only problem with Chuck E. Cheese, is that a single guy walks in there (by himself or with some wingmen) looks a little weird... Grown men hanging out with the mouse... Personally, I think it sends the wrong message!
Very true. At best you’re immature and at worst you’re a pedophile. :-\
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Absolutely....it would have to be an after thought...not a quest. Like if you were there for a nephew's b-day party or somethin'....then you catch an eyeful and think, "Hey, didn't the robmeister say something about this?" 8)
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The Chuck E. Cheese post by Rob reminded me of something that most of you dads already know. The first time I baby sat my little cousin - he was 3 or 4 - I had to run to the mall to get something. So we both headed to the mall and I had women coming up to me all over the place telling me how cute my son was. Then I got to explain that it wasn't my son, I was baby sitting him. It openened up a lot of options to talk to women. This can also work with puppies. Women can't resist little kids and puppies. The smaller the better.
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This can also work with puppies.
Oh, man... that reminds me. I have a puppie that just turned 1 year. I was taking her for a walk in the park---MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS....NOT ON A QUEST. It just so happens a team of college cheerleaders was practicing at the park. Well before I know it I'm surrounded with oohhing and aaahhing hotties.
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Announcement from Apple
"Apple Computer reported today that it has developed computer chips that can store and play music inside women's breasts. This is considered to be a major breakthrough because women are always complaining about men staring at their breasts and not listening to them."
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Women can't resist little kids and puppies.
And if you have a puppy and a kid with you at the same time, women just give you their underwear with a phone number on it.
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Announcement from Apple
"Apple Computer reported today that it has developed computer chips that can store and play music inside women's breasts. This is considered to be a major breakthrough because women are always complaining about men staring at their breasts and not listening to them."
That is great! Will they call the chip an iBreast?
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OK back on topic.
Actually the best place to meet women right now is during the holiday season at the mall!
If they are single they see all their friends buying stuff for their boysfriends and husbands and they start to feel a little depressed. They are much more receptive to starting a conversation around the holidays too becuase of all the good will and cheer!
A great ice-breaker is to ask a woman at the mall about a fashion item. It doesn't matter who you are buying it for.
Hey, I'm buying this for my sister. Do you think she will like it?
I have to find jeans for my brother, are these cool?
What kind of perfume do you use because I need to get something for my sister in law?
What does a bangal bracelet look like?
Or (and this works great guys and lets keep it a secret)
Make sure you get in front of a good looking woman at the coffee stand. Slip the guy a 10 to pay for her coffe as well. As you walk past her, say "happy holidays". More often than not, you will get a number and a date.
Or
Help a woman with her bags. Now be carefull because you don't want to look too creepy. In order to do this, make sure you have a shopping bag of your own and look cheerful. She will thank you and then you can talk to her some more.
Yes guys, I am going to open a love advice column soon!
noner
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OK back on topic.
Actually the best place to meet women right now is during the holiday season at the mall!
I second that one! My wife works at the mall and instead of her having to fight the traffic and parking out in BFE, my son and I jst drop her off and pick her up when she gets off work. What I usually do to ensure my son will easly go to sleep is when it is time to pick her up we get there about 30 min early and he will run all over the mall, up and down stairs. While do this routine we had so many chick approach us, all ages and types. ;D
It really doesn't do me much good, but maybe some single dads or some one that can borrow a little one could use it. ;)
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Great points Noner!
A huge part of meeting women is positioning. If you can get yourself in a position to meet them, then you are more likely to actually meet them. For example, getting next to them in line, preferebly before them. Then having a non-threatening way of opening a conversation, like the "lines" that Noner mentioned above is the second key to opening the door.
Airports can be a great place to meet women also. If you travel a lot like me for business you know there's always downtime in the airports when you're waiting for your next flight. You can usually meet women by sitting next to them at the food court or a restaurant, in the terminal, or at the bar. Sometimes you get lucky and the sit next to you on the plane. If you ever fly Southwest, it can pay to have a "B" section ticket. This way you can choose a seat next to the hot girl that got on before you.
I can't believe this place hasn't been mentioned, but maybe because it's a given - WEDDINGS!
Now, I'm no talking about crashing weddings, a la the movie Wedding Crashers. But, if you get invited to a wedding, make sure to take your "A" game with you. Especially you guys that are in your early to late 20's. This is when you will start having tons of weddings to go to as your friends start dropping off like flies. If you're a groomsman, use that opportunity to meet all the bridesmaids also. The single women that go to weddings are also wondering whey all of their friends are getting married and they don't even have a boyfriend.
I just had a buddy who met his girlfriend at a wedding. The best part was she was one of the caterers.
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Another venue is online dating...
As we all know, single life and dating can hit peaks and valleys. Being out and about in public obviously increases your exposure to a lot of women, but you always run into the same problems... is she married, does she have a boyfriend, etc.
Online dating, which used to be a stigma, has garned more respect since it has become commonplace for working adults to meet. Life is busy, so by using an online dating service, it makes the possibility of meeting someone you are compatible with more efficient.
Now, I'm not saying that it doesn't have it's pitfalls... I've run into a few people (and heard stories from others) who purposely deceive others to get a date. It sucks, but it happens.
The path I follow when meeting someone online is pretty simple:
Write an honest profile with current pictures. Love is blind, but attraction is not...
Do a detailed search for who you are looking for... be honest with yourself about what you want, because then the matches you get will be who you are looking for.
Rob sees pretty girl, reads her profile, and drops her an email to gather some interest
Email back and forth awhile (usually a week or two) to start to get to know that person
Get the digits and talk on the phone
Set up a date in a safe public location
Meet and have a good time!
Usually if the person has been less than truthful, it will come out before the date. But should I go out on a date and find that the pictures the girl has posted are way out of date, I'll usually call her on it... My online profile is accurate and up to date and I expect the same. Irregardless, when that happens, I still go through with the date and then say goodbye, with no promises that I'll call.
The key thing with any type of dating is confidence. If you're honest and confident, you'll get dates and hopefully meet the woman of your dreams.
Here's several sites that I've used:
www.match.com (http://www.match.com) (very good site... many searching and matching options)
www.eharmony.com (http://www.eharmony.com) (very good site... they pick who you should talk to based on a personality test)
www.true.com (http://www.true.com) (not a lot of time on this one, but it seems pretty good)
My biggest piece of advice is be honest and don't rush to meet someone. Get to know them somewhat first... Some people have sent me phone numbers in the first email... that's an immediate buh-bye and turn off.
As time permits, I'll create a new topic in this section about each of the above websites.
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Another venue is online dating...
As time permits, I'll create a new topic in this section about each of the above websites.
I have some great stories to share. A buddy and me had a contest on who can get the most dates from match.com in one month. Of course we met some wackos!
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Another venue is online dating...
As time permits, I'll create a new topic in this section about each of the above websites.
I have some great stories to share. A buddy and me had a contest on who can get the most dates from match.com in one month. Of course we met some wackos!
I thought they said opposites attract...
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Another venue is online dating...
As time permits, I'll create a new topic in this section about each of the above websites.
I have some great stories to share. A buddy and me had a contest on who can get the most dates from match.com in one month. Of course we met some wackos!
I thought they said opposites attract...
Well put PP!! LOL
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They must have been so focused on the numbers they totally over looked the attraction part for the dates.
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Hey BaldRob,
I could not agree more ....
I met my wife on Match.com
I had a very short honest profile ....and no picture at all...
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I might be married but even in my single days my girlfriends and I never put this much thought into how/where to meet guys!
This is one of the funniest threads I have read to date on this forum!!!
I will have to give my single girlfriends a heads up, especially getting close to xmas!!
:*)) :*)) :*)) :*))
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You hit it on the (bald)head with the mall and the deal about being infront of them in line. They both work very well, god I'm glad the season is coming back around.
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One of the most frustrating things that I can remember about being single and one that my single friends constantly remind me of is that a guy never knows where the women are so they can meet women. I know, you can always go to a bar, but how often do you actually meet a woman at the bar?
So, now that I'm married and I do things I would never have considered or even thought of doing when I was single, I'll let you in on some places that I wish I would have known about when I was single.
The Nail Salon: Stay with me on this one! This is how I thought of this topic. I was getting a pedicure with my wife today. If you're wondering why I did this (and actually admitting it), I completely understand. I get ingrown toe nails and after a year of convincing by my wife I tried a pedicure and to my surprise, I didn't get an ingrown toe nail afterward. Since I've started getting pedicures, I haven't had an ingrown toe nail. So, back to the women.
Everytime I walk into the nail salon I'm the only guy in there (I know, you're thinking DUH!). If there is another guy most likely he's only there to give his wife cash and head off somewhere until she calls to say she's done, or he's gay. Either way, the second all the women figure out that you're there to get a pedicure, all eyes are on you. Yep, every woman, young and old, is going to have the wheels turning trying to figure out what you're doing in their sanctuary. This is why you need to have confidence walking in to show that you're totally comfortable with yourself and why you're there. The women will smile at you, or gaze at you from behind their magazines, and some will even verbalize their disbelief. Act confident, they'll dig it. Get up in your chair, throw the massage function on, kick on the charm and see if you can strike up a conversation.
Sorry, I know it's old, but being a newbie on here, I just now found this thread and just had to chime in.
Tyler, you really have hit the nail on the head with this one.
I'm a piano player by trade, and getting manicures is just something I've been doing out of necessity --can't have my nails clicking all over the keys when you're trying to rock the house (a secondary benefit, for me at least, is that since I've been doing it, I've stopped biting my nails).
And, believe it or not, I'm so into having to just getting my nails done cause I have to, it was only recently that I even realized what a mecca it was for meeting women --and thought of it as a best-kept-secret.
Haven't met anyone yet, but the potential is definitely there.
Grocery Store: Most single women don't eat out by themselves so they'll cook at home. In order to do this they have to shop. I've found the places like Whole Foods and other organic or upscale places have the best overall ratios. You may also want to try the store that's closer to apartments than houses since most single women probably don't live in big houses. Also, try going at lunch or in the early evening.
Absolute BEST place for this: Trader Joe's!!
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I might be married but even in my single days my girlfriends and I never put this much thought into how/where to meet guys!
This is one of the funniest threads I have read to date on this forum!!!
I will have to give my single girlfriends a heads up, especially getting close to xmas!!
:*)) :*)) :*)) :*))
Beautiful women don't have to go out to look... they just have to choose! :*))
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When I was single the best place to meet women for me was anywhere they were..... not being cocky..... I just have the gift of gab and I'm a world class flirt.
Grocery store was one of my favorite places..........
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I might be married but even in my single days my girlfriends and I never put this much thought into how/where to meet guys!
This is one of the funniest threads I have read to date on this forum!!!
I will have to give my single girlfriends a heads up, especially getting close to xmas!!
:*)) :*)) :*)) :*))
Beautiful women don't have to go out to look... they just have to choose! :*))
So true, my band used to have a saying, "Get the women there, the men will follow. Get the women dancing, you have just sold tix to the next show"
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True, that's the bar owners secret to ladies night. They are fishing for the guys not the ladies.
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True, that's the bar owners secret to ladies night. They are fishing for the guys not the ladies.
When I lived in Baltimore, one bar owner had the right idea... Ladies Night was "bottomless" cups for women. Those nights were PACKED, even though it was on Wednesdays!!
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I'm a great public speaker, but when it comes to one on one, I am kind of shy. What is the best approach then? I am in college and I see pretty women all the time, but I can never think of anything to say to them, so I just keep walking by.
Any advice?
Also, what do you say to women at the grocery store?
Maybe I am thinking too much into this, but whenever I think of anything I could possibly say to any woman (whether it be at college, at a bar, or anywhere else), I fear not only rejection, but just coming off like a total perverted freak.
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True, that's the bar owners secret to ladies night. They are fishing for the guys not the ladies.
Exactly.
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I'm a great public speaker, but when it comes to one on one, I am kind of shy. What is the best approach then? I am in college and I see pretty women all the time, but I can never think of anything to say to them, so I just keep walking by.
Any advice?
Also, what do you say to women at the grocery store?
Maybe I am thinking too much into this, but whenever I think of anything I could possibly say to any woman (whether it be at college, at a bar, or anywhere else), I fear not only rejection, but just coming off like a total perverted freak.
Girls are not going to think you are a perverted freak just for saying hi and striking up some conversation - if you said something perverted maybe, but you cant go wrong with saying hey whats up?
2 of my best friends are super pretty outgoing intelligent girls but they are big scardy cats themselves and wont strike up a conversation first, they will wait for a guy to approach them! You should go for it sly style - confident!!!! You have nothing to loose, if you say hi/chat to a girl and she is rude or mean then you don't want to be talking to her anyhow!
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Girls are not going to think you are a perverted freak just for saying hi and striking up some conversation - if you said something perverted maybe, but you cant go wrong with saying hey whats up?
2 of my best friends are super pretty outgoing intelligent girls but they are big scardy cats themselves and wont strike up a conversation first, they will wait for a guy to approach them! You should go for it sly style - confident!!!! You have nothing to loose, if you say hi/chat to a girl and she is rude or mean then you don't want to be talking to her anyhow!
This is dead on! Well, of course it is, it's coming from a woman!
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True, that's the bar owners secret to ladies night. They are fishing for the guys not the ladies.
When I lived in Baltimore, one bar owner had the right idea... Ladies Night was "bottomless" cups for women. Those nights were PACKED, even though it was on Wednesdays!!
Hey Rob-
where did you live in Baltimore..... and what bar are you talking about. I was raised in baltimore and lived there until I was 35 or so.
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True, that's the bar owners secret to ladies night. They are fishing for the guys not the ladies.
When I lived in Baltimore, one bar owner had the right idea... Ladies Night was "bottomless" cups for women. Those nights were PACKED, even though it was on Wednesdays!!
Hey Rob-
where did you live in Baltimore..... and what bar are you talking about. I was raised in baltimore and lived there until I was 35 or so.
I lived in Glen Burnie for about 2 years... and the bar was Cancun Cantina.
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funny im on the eastern shore of maryland.
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I personally like the ski hill. I like to ski by myself, and the ski area that I go to mainly has two person lifts, and since it is in a college town, the male to female ratio is very nice(for a ski hill). but anyways, you get placed on a lift with a gal and you have ten minutes to chat it up, find out if she is single, ask her if she would mind you tagging along and next thing you know you are skiing the rest of the day with a gal who is hot(most of the time, you don't find too many large girls skiing). And if you fail the first time, you race down the run showing off as much as possible. When you get to the bottom, you have to get back on the chair and try to start the whole process over again. If you are fast, you can get in 30 runs in a day, and lets say 1/3 of the skiers are women, that means you get the chance to chat up 10 women in a day, and it doesn't come off as creepy because that is what you do when you are on the lift, you have a short conversation.
The second part to this is dressing in a way that is recognizable, wear something bright, that way if you drop off a cliff and are in a visible area, more women are likely to go WOW, and if you have an epic crash, you can laugh about it.
I prefer this method in the winter because I have found that it works.
My all time favorite was I was riding the lift with a little kid, and we were chatting, he mentioned that he was visiting his sister that was in college, he was a pretty rippin little skier but i figured I could give him some pointers, so I gave him a quick lesson on the way down the slope. At the bottom, we ran into his sister and she thought that it was sweet that I gave him a lesson, so on the way up she rode with me, and I already had an in. At the end of the day, I got her # and the rest is history.
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Yeah, the ski slope is money. My friend and I used to go to the green runs and offer the hot girls free lessons. It was easy because you'd just wait for them to fall (which happened about every 30 seconds) and ski up to them, help them up, then offer free lessons.
"Welcome to my kingdom. I will bed you all before the night is through"
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ahahaha, you guys are funeeeee! :px
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I've never got close to pulling on a ski slope.
I think that's because it is difficult to look cool while you're flying uncontrolled down the side of a mountain, screaming like a baby. I may need to work on my technique.
Martial arts classes are a good place to meet fit young ladies. Also a good place to get a slap if your advances are too clumsy.
I managed to get friendly with a great looking woman at the office. Some people may think this is a bit dodgy, but so far it has been OK. We no longer work together, but we've been married for 11 years now.
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There's always
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the local church
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and of course there's always
this local place.
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I always thought the donut shop was a good place too...lol
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There's always
the local library
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I can defintely confirm the library. I've been spending quit a bit of time there this week and I've gotten some wonderful headrubs from some very fine laydays. :@`