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Title: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 11, 2014, 06:40:14 AM
"Shaved dome" is not offered to us like "Cut and Blow Dry" is offered to people with hair from most salons?  Is there space for a new culture? - Best salon finishes for the shaved dome.   O0  O:O
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Mike E. P. on August 11, 2014, 06:44:52 AM
Great idea! I've never head my head shaved by anyone but me. If "shaved dome" was advertised as an option and the price was right, I'd go!
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 11, 2014, 07:45:14 AM
Hey, I am curious of your take on why the salons industry is what it is on shaved domes.  Can this be considered as prejudice    :) :) :) :-\ :-*  LOL
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Sir Harry on August 13, 2014, 08:07:27 AM
First off, I want to apologize to the OP for locking the thread (it is now unlocked)
Would it be nice if salons offered head shaving services? Sure, but do barbershops offer perms and curls? I don't think that there is prejudice on the salon industry's part.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Sly Red on August 13, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
It's a lot harder to find a barber who does head shaves than it ought to be.  In Chicago I have gone to two different places in the suburbs, Roosters & Art of Shaving.  Art of Shaving was the best, but the most expensive.  If I remember correctly a Faceshave & Headshave combination was $55.  Add $11.00 tip to the barber and you're at $66.00.  This was a first class straight razor shave.  My local Roosters is now out of business.  The guy there did a nice shave but used a Fusion.

Red
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Sly Red on August 13, 2014, 11:46:46 AM
BTW, I know for a fact that Geo. F. Trumper in Mayfair does headshaves.

Londoners, give the guy some other recommendations.

Red
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Semi-Sly on August 13, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Simply Red:

I know of lots of places in the Chicago area that do straight razor head shaves. 

All of the barbers at my shop in The City, (Belmont Barbershop) do them.  They charge $35 and you need to make an appointment.

I know of a number of shops in the 'Burbs that do them.  The Middle Eastern (Arab or Syrian) shops are the best!  The Arab guys are peacocks and they demand perfect shaves every week! If you tell them that you want it perfectly smooth to the touch they will shave first with the grain and then again against the grain.   the Arab barber shops in my area charge between $15 and $17 for a head shave!

If you need names and adresses just ask me.

Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: nuts on August 13, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
I've had a barber shave in Sydney, Australia for $20, in China for $5, in India for $3 and Myanmat for $2.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: mrzed on August 13, 2014, 08:15:45 PM
I get my head shaves for $0 in North Carolina. I do them myself. I don't usually charge myself. But it is nice to give myself a tip. 

Seriously ... I never really thought of paying for a head shave.  I used to pay for hair cuts, but once I went with the clippers and buzzed ... no need to pay for that. Just do it yourself.


Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: rss114 on August 13, 2014, 11:33:53 PM
I know that a place here in canada called Tommy Guns barber shop (employes female barbers attest the ones iv been to) but they offer a head shave with all the pampering you could want for $40 I don't know if any have opened anywhere else in the world
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: buddha on August 14, 2014, 01:14:37 AM
I met a woman a few years ago when she commented favorably about my shaved head. In the ensuing conversation she explained to me that when she lived in Milwaukee she worked in a salon that provided, among other things, straight razor head shaves. She explained that they were phased out over the course of several years because of things like local health ordinances and insurance premiums.
With regard to the health department crappola she told me that they always ran a really clean shop but the regs that got passed just made it too cumbersome and expensive for the head shaves to continue. Likewise for the insurance.
So in this case I don't believe that prejudice has anything to do with it. It's more the gubmint trying to protect us from ourselves.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 14, 2014, 01:19:23 AM
Thanks chaps!

There are a proportion of us who would not have it cross their minds to PAY to have their head shaved and this won’t ever change.  This is ok. :)

Those of us who has the choice of enjoying an occasional pro-finish for our shaved dome are blessed and should count the blessings as what you have is uncommon for most (but not all) of everywhere else.  This is good. :)

The hairy heads get best services because the stylists are always challenging new frontiers of things to offer improvements. :(  But for us, we embrace our pride and are proud to improve what we can do to ourselves which is fine, btw. O0

The reason why we don’t have eye that could see the back of our heads is because we are made to need each other to see it, but not both at the same time!  :*)) Barbers and hair salons thrived because of this fact.  They all offer “cut and blow dry”. 8)

My vision is that all barbers and hair salons should offer “Wet Shaved Dome” along side of “cut and blow dry”.  8) We would then have the benefit of pros who’d make it their career to explore into the best products, ingredients, shave techniques and after care methods for our shaved dome.   O:O O:O

If you know what I am on about, think on a better name for me than “iHead” after taking a look at this link and join me in the cause.  O:O There maybe no fortunes to be made in this journey but I think there is a load of fun for this history in the making. O:O

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ihead8/ihead-game-change-for-hair-salons-and-the-bald-sty (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ihead8/ihead-game-change-for-hair-salons-and-the-bald-sty)
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 14, 2014, 11:45:09 AM
It's a lot harder to find a barber who does head shaves than it ought to be.  In Chicago I have gone to two different places in the suburbs, Roosters & Art of Shaving.  Art of Shaving was the best, but the most expensive.  If I remember correctly a Faceshave & Headshave combination was $55.  Add $11.00 tip to the barber and you're at $66.00.  This was a first class straight razor shave.  My local Roosters is now out of business.  The guy there did a nice shave but used a Fusion.

Red

Hi Red, Roosters in Chicago, is gone right?  Can you still find that owner?  He’s the kinda guy that could be valuable and shares the same vision and you say he used a Fusion?  Experienced guys like these are worth their weight in gold.  I reckon just one more generation, they’d all be gone.  Would welcome your help Red.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 14, 2014, 11:48:23 AM
Great idea! I've never head my head shaved by anyone but me. If "shaved dome" was advertised as an option and the price was right, I'd go!

What would you consider to be the right price, Mike?

Trying to figure out what salons should believe they could make from offering shaved domes so I can tell them.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: rss114 on August 14, 2014, 11:54:39 AM
Great idea! I've never head my head shaved by anyone but me. If "shaved dome" was advertised as an option and the price was right, I'd go!

What would you consider to be the right price, Mike?

Trying to figure out what salons should believe they could make from offering shaved domes so I can tell them.

as i had posted before the barber shop near me offers a straight razor shave for $40 Canadian and i do see guys in there when i walk past probably 25% of the time having a shave
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 14, 2014, 12:04:19 PM
$40 Canadian is large!!!

I was thinking not even half of that would work to achieve my vision in the UK.  Do you think that my vision would work in Canada?
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 14, 2014, 12:06:24 PM
I get my head shaves for $0 in North Carolina. I do them myself. I don't usually charge myself. But it is nice to give myself a tip. 

Seriously ... I never really thought of paying for a head shave.  I used to pay for hair cuts, but once I went with the clippers and buzzed ... no need to pay for that. Just do it yourself.




Can’t fault you for wanting to maintain the $0 budget and it’s hard to beat.  You are the kind of guy that will be the challenge for our new culture.  It may take a year, two years or may be more, but you’ll give in when the offer gets better and better as salons compete for your business just like they would for their cut and blow dry business.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Tyler on August 14, 2014, 12:15:05 PM
The problem with EVERY salon shave that I've had is that they can't get as close as I can.  The procedure leading up to the head shave is great, but they shave always disappoints. 
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Tyler on August 14, 2014, 12:19:08 PM
If you're going to be successful in your campaign you need to put up some videos of real people saying they get a smoother shave than at home.  Right now I'm super skeptical of your idea as there are no pictures of your razor, no information on how it gets a smooth shave, nothing...
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: slybeard on August 14, 2014, 12:21:14 PM
I have paid $35 US plus a tip for a barber shop head shave, at an up-scale mall barber shop (The Art of Shaving).  I think that is OK for an occasional pampering (once per year or so), but would be cost prohibitive for routine maintenance.  The cost would likely need to be less than $15 or $20 US for guy to make it regular (once or twice per month).

I also agree with Tyler - they do not get as close as I can get myself, but their products used left me with a very good shine.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: rss114 on August 14, 2014, 12:23:23 PM
 if after halloween i decide to keep the Sly look i think the $40 would be worth it for what you get obviously i would not go all the time but for special occasions it would be nice
this is what you get
Tommy Gun’s Original Bald Head Towel Shave
Lubricating Shave Oil treatment, hot towels, Moisturizing Shave Cream & hot lather shave, cool towels followed by smooth Post Shave Cooling Lotion treatment.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Razor X on August 14, 2014, 09:44:09 PM
The problem with EVERY salon shave that I've had is that they can't get as close as I can.  The procedure leading up to the head shave is great, but they shave always disappoints.

That's why I don't get barber shop shaves anymore.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Sir Harry on August 14, 2014, 10:51:34 PM
To me, getting a barbershop headshave is like going to the casino..just like for every person that wins there are 99 people that lose...just like for every 100 barbershop headshaves only one may provide the desired smoothness we want. It is a chance that many of us sly guys like to take ever so often, though.
Title: Re: Why Hair Salons seldom offer us a choice?
Post by: Domes Day on August 15, 2014, 05:24:21 AM
Tyler, SlyBeard, Sir Henry, Razor X, RSS114 and everybody, Just ONE Word, BRILL.  You confirmed that I am not crazy (or just not entirely crazy :D) and on the right track and I want to share my thoughts about what you have said.

Barbers don’t have much competition for giving you the best shaved dome experience and that explains the “gamble” to get a good job done by them.  They think that they need you more than you need them, and even come across as doing you a favour perhaps.

Most barbers have no impelling reason to improve their shaved dome service like they have for hairy heads.  So Razor X’s comment is valuable and happens a lot.  Barbers are tied to regulations to put knife to skin and risks losing their own skin through accidental cuts.

Technique and expertise has faded almost completely from the high street and those that remain will charge a king’s ransom for their services.  And without doubt, the experiences from the good ones are truly exquisite.

Tyler, you bet what we have will do a close a shave as you can and this includes behind the ears, the back of your head and all the difficult-to-shave ridges.  Plus the fuss they make on you inside a salon will make sure you can’t repeat the same experience back home.

This vision of mine is brand new, therefore not ideal.  So, the biggest struggle is getting my message meaningfully across before it exceeds your boredom threshold.

I figured as this vision is for everyone, I want to build up the people who share the same vision.  The success of the vision will be rewarded with the dawn of a new culture.  The culture chases the best barbershop/hair salon finish experience for the shaven domes.

The rewards for everyone involved have to be fun.  The expansion of the culture will be through socials, parties, exhibitions and conferences.  The other expansion path will be technologically progressed.  The success of the culture taking hold requires a critical mass of barbershop/hair salons offering a good market penetration of the shaven dome along side their “cut & blow dry”.

We have decided not to sell what we got into barbershops/hair salons but instead, installed free for them and focus on more soul enriching path.  Therefore for our journey, the culture stands better odds of taking hold within our lifetime.

So what do you see in my vision?