Another gun topic.Specifically handguns.

[tomgallagher]

Home protection=12 gauge shotgun.

[wpruitt]

Home protection=12 gauge shotgun.

I've got the same alarm system!

[JDog]

My home security system is a piece of large gauge fishing line tied to my sliding door which is in turn attached to a pin on a fixed M67 frag grenade.

[DAT Boy]

Well, so much for staying on topic 
You guys- a shotgun is not a handgun  unless you saw the barrel down to amost nothing, and then you have a directional frag grenade. 
Also, a frag grenade should only be on a fishing line, if... YOU'RE FISHING!   TA-DA!!!
(I see this thread going in a strange direction; like the sheet marks.   )
BTW, those info links on the states are awesome, guys!
Now, riddle me this: which states honor other states concealed carry permits?  Also, if you could get more than one state's permit (that's a clue- 'cause you can), which one(s) would you legally get, as an out of state person?

[tomgallagher]

My home security system is a piece of large gauge fishing line tied to my sliding door which is in turn attached to a pin on a fixed M67 frag grenade.

Why not use a Claymore Jesse. That would really do the job.

[tomgallagher]

Not only saw the barrel off but the stock also. Talk about a concealed carry weapon.

[schro]

I'm 100% in support of the right to bear arms (or what the heck, arm bears...make it an even fight). However, I've never given any consideration to owning a gun. Just not my gig.

[StogieStang]

Now, riddle me this: which states honor other states concealed carry permits?  Also, if you could get more than one state's permit (that's a clue- 'cause you can), which one(s) would you legally get, as an out of state person?

Right here: http://www.nraila.org/recmap/Recguide.pdf

[ice4life]

the way I see it there should be tougher training involved with getting any sort of carry permit, I know in FL its easy any jacka$$ can sit through the class and take a test, but that doesn't teach you what to do in a real life situation. If it wasn't for the training I've had there was a time when I would have killed my best friend, its a long story but due to my training I knew not to just pull my weapon and start shooting, but to KNOW what I'm getting into first. I know some state might be a little tougher but I think before anyone carries they need major situation training and time on a range so they know how and what to shoot.

As far a carry permits go I think concealed carry permits are dangorous I think it should be open carry like, I think its AZ or NM that has open carry. If the guns are being carried out in the open(old west style) there is no guessing whos who and whats what.

 Nomad, just out of curiosity, when you were in the situation with your best friend, was there any kind of controlled substance involved? I mean, everybody gets angry, but the only way I'd kill somebody is if they were threatening my family/friends/myself, or ANYBODY that wasn't able to defend themselves. And at that point I wouldn't hesitate in the least to pull the trigger... And I don't mean a single shot or a double tap, I mean all the way to slide-lock. There is just no sense in letting the perp live to harass somebody else. In the great state of Florida, as you may already know, there is no duty to retreat law. Which means you don't have to try and run away before defending yourself. You can use force (including deadly force) at any place that you can legally be, not just your home/car....

 As for your open carry thoughts, I think open carry is much more dangerous than concealed carry, for a few reasons.
      1. Open carry would show the bad guys exactly who they can and can't mess with.
      2. If you are out numbered and the bad guys are closer than 21 feet, they can be on you like white on rice AND kill you with your own openly carried gun, before you can take them out. Google "Dennis Teuller"
     

[KeeperOfTheBeard]

You've touched on a passionate subject for me.

I am former military and I am also a certified NRA instructor.  I conduct CCH classes as well as training in basic and advanced handgun, shotgun, rifle, personal protection (in the home and out of the home) as well as edged weapons. 

When I purchased my first handgun back in the 80's in Pennsylvania, there was a considerable background check that involved lots of forms and the state contacting people I put down as referrals - as well as a nice waiting period.

Today, I live in Kansas.  I can walk into a store that sells guns (or a gun show) and walk out with a handgun in 10 minutes - fill out the form - they call the info in - the background check is done via a computer - and you leave with your gun.

I fully support the right to bear arms and the second amendment.  I also fully support those that do not wish to carry.  And for the record, concealed carry is far better than open carry.  Open carry instantly makes you a target for the BG's (Bad Guys).  If someone is going to commit a violent crime with a gun/knife/etc. - and they see you with a gun strapped to your hip - they are going to take you out first. 

Concealed carry is just that - concealed.  You make sure you do not imprint (have your gun's shape visible through your clothing or concealment).  It gives you a defensive edge when the BG does not know who is carrying.

Am I one of those crazy, paranoid, gun-nuts that feels the need to have an arsenal because the whole world is out to get me??  Heck no.  Do I own guns - yes.  Do I enjoy shooting?  Yes.  But I pray that I would NEVER have to use a gun or any weapon for that matter to take a human life - and the only way I would ever do such a thing is in defense of myself or my loved ones - or if I were in a situation where someone else was facing a life threatening situation.

As far as not being able to even aim during a situation where you would need to use a gun - this is very true.  You get an adrenaline dump and 3/4 of your training goes out the window - you are running on adrenaline and instinct.  This is why it is SO important to get proper training (the CCH classed give you zero training - they are just in place to cover the laws - let you know about force on force - and what you could be liable for legally).  Train, train well, and practice, practice, practice.  Practice until it becomes habit and instinct.  And God forbid the time should ever come that you need to put your training and practice to use - but should it happen you are more likely to come out alive.

The top things I drill into my students heads are:

1.  Safety - Never point the muzzle at anything you do not intend to kill.
2.  Safety - Every gun is loaded.  Most accidental shootings are done with "unloaded" guns.  People think they are unloaded - Boom - someone is dead.
3.  Safety - Never handle a gun or hand a gun to someone without making sure the chamber is cleared
4.  Safety - Indexing - never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire. 
5.  Flash Front Sight - an important thing to remember.  You will NOT have time to aim - you will be scared - your adrenaline will put you in fight or flight mode - Flash Front Sight - as long as you have the front sight on the target and squeeze the trigger you are going to hit what you are shooting at.
6.  Know what is beyond - Know what is behind and around your target.  Bullets can and will travel through your target and can kill or wound innocent bystanders.
7.  Maintain a state of relaxed awareness - do not be a victim.  Trust your instincts - if someone looks no good and makes your hair stand up on the back of your neck - trust that feeling and leave.

What I do not understand are the businesses that post the No Guns signs in their windows.  The BG's are going to bring them in regardless of the sign.  So in effect these people are saying that it is ok for the BG's to come in because no law abiding citizen with a CCH will be carrying.  Interestingly enough, the largest convenience store chain in the state welcome people with CCH - they get robbed and shot at enough in the cities that they want some form of deterrent for the BG's.

And one more point to while I am on the subject - a knife is far more gruesome and deadly than a bullet wound from a handgun.  The only advantage to a hangun is distance - it gives you a bigger reactionary gap.  But make no mistake - I could share some ugly photos of what even a small knife can do....it's not pretty.  And a person with a knife that is 30 feet away can close that distance in under 2 seconds.

Alrighty - no more soapbox for me.  I just felt like sharing.

Thanks,

Matthew

[Jer]

While reading through this thread, all I could think of is how most people view us Canadians as being the peaceful quiet neighbors to the north who don't have guns and are completely against them.  Guns are a touchy subject for me, as I love them and there are many of us law abiding citizens here in Canada that own or want to own some.  A lot of people think that it is completely against the law to own handguns here, but it is in fact to the contrary.  There may be a lot of rules governing them here, but you can still own them, you just can't go to the supermarket to get your fruits and veggies 'packin heat' 

Here in Canada there actually are quite a lot of people who own guns legally and most don't know that.  We do have a long standing joke here though among gun lovers though and the two major political parties, Conservatives who are against the gun registries and Liberals who are for completely banning guns altogether.  I don't want to offend anyone by this at all and hope you all see it for it's humor.

This is the actual result of the firearms registry here in Canada.  Take a close look at this registration certificate!   

[Robmeister]

Used to be something of a Street Fighting Man myself back in the day.....

But that's when bare knuckles was the end of it....nowadays....WATCH OUT !!!

[Alexander215]

My home security system is a piece of large gauge fishing line tied to my sliding door which is in turn attached to a pin on a fixed M67 frag grenade.

Why not use a Claymore Jesse. That would really do the job.

How about a bouncing betty?