Thanks guys, who knew there were so many gay sly guys, awesome..haha. Anyway, marty 22, the scar is the #1 problem, my partner goes sly, so it isn't the style, it is the scar, it is even noticeable (slightly) with a #3. SimplyRed, we have been together for 8 years, we're both in our early 30's. I have tried to have conversations about it, but he has remained adamant about it. Thanks again guys, you're great!